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Originally posted by Randy Greenoe
Originally posted by FlyinGN

Buicks are faster for cheaper.. Period.

Spend your money right and tune it and they run good. Here is my proof; 87 T Type,49 turbo.009 inj. 3 inch single shot,volt booster,xp fuel pump,and Reds chip. Against a 90 fwd Talon with a Buschur 16g,Hallman boost controller,Buschur fuel pump,stock exhaust with no cat. Raced twice,once from a roll and once from a stop. Care to guess which car won both times? So like everybody says tune,tune ,tune. The T Type was friend of mine and the Talon is my son's so I know exactly what was done to each of them. Not trying to start a war but just because you throw parts at a car doesn't mean anything. Total investment in the Talon including the price of the car{It wasn't running when he bought it} is< $2000.

$2000?? What was done to the car? A good 16G would cost you $695 new ,and about $500 used. So you did not have a AFC on the car or a bigger injector? Those things alone would cost you close to $500 used. That car without a fuel system is a is pretty much a stock car. The car probaly would be as fast with a 14b. So on it's best day it's a low 14 second car ,and that car beat a modded TR from a roll. Wow there has to be something wrong with your friend's car. A stock GN should give that car a good run for it's money.
 
There are small 16g fwd talons in nj running 11.80 without spray

And a fwd turbo dsm from a roll is gonna be pretty hard to catch
 
A Fwd DSM would have to make sick power to go that fast. I saw a video of one that made 611fwhp on the gun ,and the car only went 12.0's. A guy in this area almost had the same setup I had ,and his car was going 12.20's.
 
Originally posted by Nuffice
http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=file&id=1395

go there and download the video


and fyi the small 16g turbo is 1 step up turbo over stock

and 611 fwhp and only 12's? gtfo


What?? I know that a small 16G is a up step from a 14B. What's your point? and yes the car only went 12.0's. I did not understand it either ,but I have never owned a FWD car ,but that same set up most DSM go mid 10's.
 
It probably spun half way down the track


cuz about 450 hp in a fwd car on slicks should go mid 11's easily
 
Re: ?????

Originally posted by Boost1
$2000?? What was done to the car? A good 16G would cost you $695 new ,and about $500 used. So you did not have a AFC on the car or a bigger injector? Those things alone would cost you close to $500 used. That car without a fuel system is a is pretty much a stock car. The car probaly would be as fast with a 14b. So on it's best day it's a low 14 second car ,and that car beat a modded TR from a roll. Wow there has to be something wrong with your friend's car. A stock GN should give that car a good run for it's money.

No bigger injectors no afc or vpc,just exactly what I stated no more no less,other than porting the exhaust manifold and o2 housing. The car has not been ran at track but he did run a a.w.d. Talon that ran 13.3s and pulled on him pretty good.
 
well the TR with those parts better be in the high 11's. And I know damn well that a FWD DSM with those parts aren't so Im guessing the TR beat it.

Originally posted by Randy Greenoe
Originally posted by FlyinGN

Buicks are faster for cheaper.. Period.

Spend your money right and tune it and they run good. Here is my proof; 87 T Type,49 turbo.009 inj. 3 inch single shot,volt booster,xp fuel pump,and Reds chip. Against a 90 fwd Talon with a Buschur 16g,Hallman boost controller,Buschur fuel pump,stock exhaust with no cat. Raced twice,once from a roll and once from a stop. Care to guess which car won both times? So like everybody says tune,tune ,tune. The T Type was friend of mine and the Talon is my son's so I know exactly what was done to each of them. Not trying to start a war but just because you throw parts at a car doesn't mean anything. Total investment in the Talon including the price of the car{It wasn't running when he bought it} is< $2000.
 
exactly. I had a FWD DSM so I know better. FWD don't hook. Im laughing my ass off. 11.8's easy?? on a fwd? yea ok

Originally posted by Boost1
A Fwd DSM would have to make sick power to go that fast. I saw a video of one that made 611fwhp on the gun ,and the car only went 12.0's. A guy in this area almost had the same setup I had ,and his car was going 12.20's.
 
I just checked the DSM tuners website for fastest 1/4 mile times and in the FWD list not ONE of the 16g turbos were easily in the 11.s. NOT ONE> Fastest 16g was 12.7. not even close. Told ya it was bs.. Jeeze
And he had a WHOLE lot more done to it then randys friend too. Told ya guys. I *KNOW* better.

heres one like my old car .. check out what was done.. check out the times..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3190#Modlist
 
Originally posted by FlyinGN
I just checked the DSM tuners website for fastest 1/4 mile times and in the FWD list not ONE of the 16g turbos were easily in the 11.s. NOT ONE> Fastest 16g was 12.7. not even close. Told ya it was bs.. Jeeze
And he had a WHOLE lot more done to it then randys friend too. Told ya guys. I *KNOW* better.

heres one like my old car .. check out what was done.. check out the times..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3190#Modlist
You can read all you want! The fact is my kid smacked the T Type with the mods stated! The T Type" should" have smacked the Talon BUT it didn't! I never said what the Talon ran because we never made a pass.
 
I bleive ya Randy but the Buick should have won. It was obviously not running right.. especially from a stop run. FWD are horrible slow out of the hole..
 
How is it bs you retards I posted the video. I know the kid his name is richie his car is sponsored by gtr motorsports look it up take your heads out of your ass

here lets try this again

http://forum.vwsport.com/dload.php?action=category&id=69
Ported Small 16g, HKS 264Cams, FMIC, 3in DP, 3in Exhaust, 22x8x15 slicks

go there for a list of his videos


and what is that u posted a 20g laser only going 14's

haha what a bad driver
 
Originally posted by FlyinGN
I bleive ya Randy but the Buick should have won. It was obviously not running right.. especially from a stop run. FWD are horrible slow out of the hole..

That is why you have to tune,tune,tune. The Buick with what was done should have smoked the Talon,but the guy who owns the Buick had" his own way of tuning "it and would not listen to anybody. I was surprised that the Talon beat him! The first words out of his mouth was "I am gonna get a cam and set of heads then we'll see" You can't just throw parts at a car and expect it to perform. The F.W.D.s are not that bad out of the if they hook. My son's comes out pretty good but on the 1~2 shift wheel hops violently so bad that the windshield wipers come on.
 
ROTFLMAO! Mine did the exact same thing Randy since it was new in 89! LOL I actually took the wipers off so I would not look so dorky banging shifts while my wipers were dry humping the windshield! That brought back fond memories man..:)
Tell your Son to be careful, the wheel hop is what did my trans in in a BIG way. It shatters the diff spider gears.. Mine lasted 30 k miles..





Originally posted by Randy Greenoe
That is why you have to tune,tune,tune. The Buick with what was done should have smoked the Talon,but the guy who owns the Buick had" his own way of tuning "it and would not listen to anybody. I was surprised that the Talon beat him! The first words out of his mouth was "I am gonna get a cam and set of heads then we'll see" You can't just throw parts at a car and expect it to perform. The F.W.D.s are not that bad out of the if they hook. My son's comes out pretty good but on the 1~2 shift wheel hops violently so bad that the windshield wipers come on.
 
Hey Randy here is a pic of my Laser way back when at Etown..
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note the first pic.. NO wipers! lol
 
I like how you changed the subject because you know im right

and I said going into the 11's with a 611fwhp 2nd gen is easy

and just fyi the dsm tuners list is a list of members on the board

So now that you got owned how do you feel

just because you had a slow dsm and probably still have a slow gn dont try and justify it by making others wrong when it was you who couldnt tune or drive
 
are you talking to me?? Im confused. What does owned mean??
"So now that you got owned how do you feel"


huh


did I change the subject?? what??
what are you talking about???
 
Originally posted by FlyinGN
I just checked the DSM tuners website for fastest 1/4 mile times and in the FWD list not ONE of the 16g turbos were easily in the 11.s. NOT ONE> Fastest 16g was 12.7. not even close. Told ya it was bs.. Jeeze
And he had a WHOLE lot more done to it then randys friend too. Told ya guys. I *KNOW* better.

heres one like my old car .. check out what was done.. check out the times..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3190#Modlist


ya im talking to you You said I was bs And I proved you wrong then you started talkin about windshield wipers cuz you knew you were wrong

anytime you want to be proved wrong again let me know Ill be glad to do it
 
Im not flaming you. Im talkin real life fact, not videos of people you don't know..

Oh please,. I have been working on cars since you were pooping yellow.. You have nothing for me Son..

grow up and go over to the DSM forum and puff out your automotive chest over there. Maybe they will like you better..

I was mearly saying that my old DSM did the same thing as someone Sons car on here. it brought back fond memories..I did love that car.. Its just not in the same league as the TR for speed, thats all.
You do not own me lol. my wife does!! :)
Unless you want to hire me lol
 
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