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[Fuelie600]

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LOL no problem... i work for Ford as a diesel tech....

Can you supply the part #'s for the clamps? What size are they?

 

[PaCemkr86]

Can you supply the part #'s for the clamps? What size are they?

yes i can get that info for you guys on monday

 

[UNGN]

Are you running a set of spx-7 headers? How much did your car slow down? How much less volume did they flow? Thanks, Brian

My comments weren't based on buying and using those crappy headers, it was based on This Picture that Samballs posted.

You can see the weld from the pipe junction, but the hole in the pipe at the junction is tiny (looks like about 3/4").

That is pure crap.

 

[PaCemkr86]

My comments weren't based on buying and using those crappy headers, it was based on This Picture that Samballs posted.

You can see the weld from the pipe junction, but the hole in the pipe at the junction is tiny (looks like about 3/4").

That is pure crap.

well i can tell you and so can Nasty Wendy, our headers don't look like that ...

 

[Nasty Wendy]

My comments weren't based on buying and using those crappy headers, it was based on This Picture that Samballs posted.

You can see the weld from the pipe junction, but the hole in the pipe at the junction is tiny (looks like about 3/4").

That is pure crap.

He is having it replaced. That was obviously over looked. They all don't look like that. I've double-double checked mine now and they look fine.

 

[SAMBALLS1]

For All Of You That Are Against The China Product. The Guy I Bought Them From Is Going To Replace The Defective Header I Got So I'm Getting A Great Product! I Am Happy I Made The Choice I Made! I Recommend Them To Anyone Who Wants To Save 800 Dollars!

Thanks To All Who Support Saving Money And Are Interested In Keeping Their Money!

Sam

 

[Fuelie600]

My comments weren't based on buying and using those crappy headers, it was based on This Picture that Samballs posted.

You can see the weld from the pipe junction, but the hole in the pipe at the junction is tiny (looks like about 3/4").

That is pure crap.

OK! I just thought you had first hand experience with these headers. Brian

 

[SGRIM]

This is a tough deal. It is only going to get worse too. There is a freight train coming, it's up to the customer to get on it....

I wonder about the longevity of the products, is all steel created equal?

The worst part is the company that does all the R&D on these products for us. In most cases it is not cost effective to spend the money for a patent. Even with that you can barely change them and get around that. What it does though is choke the innovation process, why should guys continue to pour $ into R&D, no incentive there! I for one hope our vendors continue to bring out new and better products for us, although I am sure they want if everything they make gets knocked and sold for 1/2 price or less.

Not kicking people that buy the stuff, a penny saved is a penny earned. Just put some thought into the whole scenario before you buy!

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

I don't think the issue is that there made in china. If a NEW product is designed & then sent to be manufactured in china that's 1 thing. It's another thing to order a product from a vendor, send them to china to be copied, flood the market with low cost knock-offs & expect everyone to be OK with it.
Why would a vendor want to develop ($$$$) a NEW product for this small market to be ripped off from within?

I think you are dead-on.
It’s about the stolen idea.

 

[Jerryl]

I think you are dead-on.
It’s about the stolen idea.

I am sure everyone will agree that "stealing the idea" is unethical, at least to US standards.

One of the best ways to protect our products and interest is to have them made in LCC's BUT, such efforts must be led by the original inventor. That way, the quality etc can be monitored and the cost can be considerably less.

I am sure the headers do in fact cost $900 to MFG in the US and
If the quality and material were equal, you may get them for $250 shipped from China.
The $1M question is; Will they then sell for $350? (Same margin higher market share) If not, buyers will be tempted to get back to the $200 unit.

It truly amazing to witness the "New world" of MFG.
We (USA) will eventually become a service based society were most MFG is done in LCC’s. Companies that can't change end up extinct! I don’t agree or like what is going on, but it is reality. Perception of "Value" as defined by each customer is a major topic.

Can/would you believe that Mexico, Brazil and India find it hard to compete against China?

Back to topic;
Nice headers for $200! :biggrin:

PS:
My stock 84 PS header looked like the pic with the small hole.
My aftermarket PS header looked like the previous pic with crappy welds.
I am confident those were both made in the US!

 

[white88montess]

For All Of You That Are Against The China Product. The Guy I Bought Them From Is Going To Replace The Defective Header I Got So I'm Getting A Great Product! I Am Happy I Made The Choice I Made! I Recommend Them To Anyone Who Wants To Save 800 Dollars!

Thanks To All Who Support Saving Money And Are Interested In Keeping Their Money!

Sam

no prob and cant wait to see how good they hold up

 

[SAMBALLS1]

How can you tell the difference between different qualities of stainless steel?

There are a number of different ways. Generally, the better quality the steel, the more expensive the cutlery.

Other ways to find out are to compare the colours. Top-quality 18/10 stainless steel is brighter and whiter in colour than 13/0 stainless steel, which is quite grey in colour.

Testing with a magnet will also help you find out how high the quality is. Steel is a ferrous metal and will stick to a magnet. The more steel in a stainless steel 'recipe' the stronger a magnet will stick.

13/0 steel contains only 13% chrome, and is therefore very attractive to a magnet. 18/0 steel contains more chrome (18%), and therefore is less magnetic - it will stick, but not as strongly. Top quality 18/10 stainless steel will be only very slightly attractive, or not sticky at all.




I personally did the magnetic test, and this metal has very little magnetic properties. Not enough to get the magnet to stick to the metal by itself. So it's good quality Stainless Steel! So I guess it's safe to say not only is it a good product, good welds, cheap price, but good matierial!

I'm definately happy now!
Sam

 

[GNRick]

Not to change the subject, but I saw Duplicolor paint on trucks tv show this morning. Paint comes ready to spray and they said you can do a whole car/truck for $200 in materials. Includes primer, paint, and clear coat. Here is the Duplicolor info:


Paint Shop

 

[Turbo1dr]

Wonder what the Chevy guys complain about when they have parts copied?

Probably not a damn thing.

 

[SloGN]

Wonder what the Chevy guys complain about when they have parts copied?

Probably not a damn thing.

Thats some funny $hit.........

 

[joe_schindler]

Maybe I'm thinking on this too hard, but; just how many Turbo Buick headers do they plan to sell? I haven't checked for made in China mustang headers; they are probably out there though, but; wouldn't that be the place to make some money? There were probably lots of reasons why Kenne Bell doesn't do Buicks any more; market saturation is probably #2.

 

[Otto J]

Looking at all these headers and downpipes.
It seems as though only the cheaper versions and metals are always polished looking.

 

[turbojimmy]

Looking at all these headers and downpipes.
It seems as though only the cheaper versions and metals are always polished looking.

I noticed that too. Does polishing hide some sort of defect in the metal? You'd think they could do even better cost-wise by not taking the time to polish them.

Jim

 

[Turbo1dr]

There were probably lots of reasons why Kenne Bell doesn't do Buicks any more; market saturation is probably #2.

He probably got out of Turbo Buicks because of all the pissing and moaning the Buick crowd does....seems like it never ends. If I supplied parts to a certain crowd that constantly griped and complained I'd stop selling to them too. The headache for such a small market isn't worth the trouble.

 

[Mike Licht]

All the tubing that comes from that part of the world is polished for some reason, it is not an option, they just do it. Metal does not have to be bad you can specify whatever you want. With some of these companies if you want to but a quanity of units they will make any changes you like and charge you acordingly. If you are willing to pay more they will give you as much quality as you like or are willing to pay for. One company I spoke to at SEMA was afraid to make a part better the way I offered to buy it becasue they kept saying "price be too high" in the end the price difference would have been $12.00 this was on a $300 part, they have no point of reference as far as real value of the things they make. They have so much capacity to build and need to keep the factories busy so they do that with price but do not understand the market. There are two kinds of suppliers there. The kind that makes these headers who do not design anything they just wait for people to bring product to them to build. They will qoute them low to get the business and it is up to the buyer to accept or demand quality changes. (This company is the same one that make the ATR style headers by the way for another dealer.) The other kind of supplier (Eagle, Cat Engine, etc) make parts to sell through a dealer network of their own design in terms of material and quality without input from dealers.

Mike