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GNBRETT

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Can Someone Explain To Me How The Gear Vendors Overdrive Works? What Are The Advantages To It? Disadvantages? What Type Of Transmissions Can It Be Adapted To?

I Know They Are A Little Heavy But I Just Dont See Anyone Running These In Tr's With A Th400.

Any Help Would Be Great.....! Thanx.
 
it works by using a planetary gear set to produce an output speed faster than input .it does this by holding the sun gear and driving the ring gear.
 
There are a few disadvantages.

The unit weighs 45 lbs and the ratio is .78 to one instead of .67 for a 2004r. The unit use dextron II and needs to be changed every 5000 miles.
UNder 25 mph the overdrive will not work , and there is a slight delay in the shift at lower speeds.
intial cost $2200-2300

THe advantages are:

Gear spliting 6 forward gears instead of 3 hold motor in torque badn for more accel.
Full throttle overdrive shifts
Transbrake can be used to 4500 ft peak torque.
Tested to 12,000 rpm and rated to 1200 HP. Can be rebuilt for $650 by gear vendors.
Uses t400 ouput yoke
Your wallet will be happy after you dont have to rebuild your 2004r each season.
 
that ratio splitting theory is non sense when it is used at the racetrack.no offense norbs,but no one s running down the track switching ratios and going faster.on an insane car that needs less than the 2.485 ratio of the 400s first gear taking off with the o.d on and then switching it off on a 1/2 shift has never been tested so there is no info in relation to that either.the release time of the unit would be equally important then as well.at that point use the 4l80 with aluminum guts and its over.
 
Ya i agree, i think its just a selling feature they try to push. I would not use it that way at all.
 
that ratio splitting theory is non sense when it is used at the racetrack.no offense norbs,but no one s running down the track switching ratios and going faster.on an insane car that needs less than the 2.485 ratio of the 400s first gear taking off with the o.d on and then switching it off on a 1/2 shift has never been tested so there is no info in relation to that either.the release time of the unit would be equally important then as well.at that point use the 4l80 with aluminum guts and its over.

SO CHRIS YOU ARE SAYING THAT PUTTING IN A 4L80 WOULD SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE? I THOUGHT SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE GEAR VENDOR OD MIGHT BE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A BRUTALLY STRONG TH400 WITH THE ADVANTAGES OF OD. I THOUGHT THE 4L80 WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND A LOT OF HP. (THE KIND OF HP ONE MIGHT SEE WITH A STAGE MOTOR AND LARGE TURBO) WHAT KIND OF HP CAN THE 4L80 WITHSTAND?
 
CAN ANYONE SUPPLY SOME PICS OF IT INSTALLED ON A TH400? DOES IT INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING? :confused:
 
the 4l80 is a 400 with overdrive .it will handle just as much as the th400 can imo.look at our buildups on my website.
 
THM400 with GV OD will fit

A THM400 with a GV OD will fit. Did in my brother-in-law's GN. The fit is tight but like a glove with a 3" driveshaft. The Exhaust at the 'Y' may need to be tweaked just a tad. I can get some pics if you'd like. Won't have a good angle however unless we find a very clear day and a hoist.

The gear splitting is handy for the street but stuff gets too busy at the strip. Probably not necessary unless for some reason your gear spacing was waay off. Car is primarily street driven.

The setup is bullet proof which was the end goal. There is a delay (1/2 second) between engaging the unit and the shift into OD. Dis-engagement seems immediate. I believe they now have a more sophisticated controller which can be programmed for 'launch mode' and engage auto-shift at a certain MPH or engage/disengage with trans. You'll need to call for the specifics on their new controller, they don't describe it on their web site but believe Super Chevy did an article on the new setup for drag racing this past spring or summer.

You need to get it a signal in some manner.

Downsides of the GV/THM400 would primarly be the following:

a. more complicated installation. requires shortening of the driveshaft (believe this is the case with the 4L80).
b. complicated to electronically control with a manual valve body. Would require an 'on-off' negotation beween the shifter using an RPM activated or manually activated switch. The new controller may make this more easily done.
c. no converter lockup for highway cruising.
d. drive shaft loop runs up towards the end of the tunnel, right where the seat belts bolt thru.
d. cost?? (not sure how much more a 400/GV is than a 4L80 and associated electronics or 4L80 w/manual valve body). Built THM400 w/ manual valve body/trans brake is around $1,200. GV used to run $1800. Might now run $2200.
e. with no lockup free way mileage will suffer.

Benefits
a. 6 speed for the street.
b. unbreakable.
c. makes a 3speed non-lockup liveable on the freeway.
d. theoritcally could reduce RPM drop at the shift but to really test this out you need to electronically controll all of the shifts. Too busy/hard to do manually. Not necessary with a high HP car and loose converter.

Cards are out on whether this was a good investment or not. When we get further implementing the electronics for RPM and manually activated shifting will know more. When comparing with a THM400 definitely use. When compared with a 4L80, manual valve body, and lockup converter not sure.

Anyone with input on the elecronics would be appreciated. Have both air and electronically controlled shift mechanisms installed on a B&M pro-ratchet. Want to automatically dis-engage the GV as the trans shifts gears and enagage the GV IF the trans is 'off' and RPM hits nnnn. I think of it simply as a ping-pong between the shifter and the GV. If trans is on GV does not see a signal from the RPM switch. When shiftnoid sees a signal from the RPM switch it shifts the trans and in turn opens the RPM circuit to the GV for the next shift point. Some flavor of relay would seem to do the trick.
 
Does anyone on the board have one in their TR?? Pics??
i had a 400 with GV overdrive in my Dutt Stage II Twin Turbo last year, however, i sold the car to one of the member of this board (DAVERR). I loved that tranny set up and the 4th gear can be independently turned on/off either via left foot or by the dashboard button. It was a street driven beast and that tranny set up felt like a 200R4 only way much stronger and reliable. Had almost 2 years of fun (street/strip) with no issue.
 
Did you have the GV put on after you had the 400 installed. I have a 400 in now with a 3500 stall non/lu. I'm trying to figure out how much(an estimate) getting the GV added(parts and labor) would cost Since I already have the trans in the car.
 
Did you have the GV put on after you had the 400 installed. I have a 400 in now with a 3500 stall non/lu. I'm trying to figure out how much(an estimate) getting the GV added(parts and labor) would cost Since I already have the trans in the car.

it was already in the car when i got it your best bet is to hook up with them (GV) as they might be able to direct you to the right installer near you or give you a ballpark cost. My guess is around $4k by the time it's all done i don't know if it's worth it plus maintenance, it also sounds like your car is a daily driver? if it's not then leave it alone spend the $$ on more power adder the 400 is a good tough unit. Good luck.
 
Did you have the GV put on after you had the 400 installed. I have a 400 in now with a 3500 stall non/lu. I'm trying to figure out how much(an estimate) getting the GV added(parts and labor) would cost Since I already have the trans in the car.

i forgot to tell you that the new owner is in your neck of the woods (Chicago, Illinois), send him a PM. Go to the stage II forum and look for DAVERR (stage II dyno pinging @ 16 lbs?)
 
it was already in the car when i got it your best bet is to hook up with them (GV) as they might be able to direct you to the right installer near you or give you a ballpark cost. My guess is around $4k by the time it's all done i don't know if it's worth it plus maintenance, it also sounds like your car is a daily driver? if it's not then leave it alone spend the $$ on more power adder the 400 is a good tough unit. Good luck.

Thanks that's great food for thought. I will get in touch with gv and see what happens from there.
 
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