If they allowed 80's cars in FAST (factory stock appearing)....

[BEATAV8]

So if they allowed 80's cars to run in Factory Stock Appearing.... just how bad do you think Turbo Regals and TTA's would OWN that class?

 

["Turbo-T"]

I'm sure they'd dominate anything 80's built.

 

[SGRIM]

Are you talking about the series that Mr. Clark sponsors?

 

[Otto J]

F.A.S.T. - Factory Appearing Stock Tire - Home -

 

[SGRIM]

F.A.S.T. - Factory Appearing Stock Tire - Home -

Yep, just another example of what Mr. Clark does for the auto world...

 

[BEATAV8]

Yep, just another example of what Mr. Clark does for the auto world...

Sure would be sweet to see an 80's class allowed in the series... those FAST boys would find out what fast is all about.

 

[mat231v6]

no one would have a chance at beating them. thats for sure.

 

[novaderrik]

while it's true that there are some fast TR's out there, i don't think they'd be all that impressive given the dinky stock tires. what's the fastest GN on stock wheels and tires? someone out there has had to be crazy enough to keep the car looking as stock as possible and go as fast as possible. of course, things would open up, tire wise, for the people that make their GN into a GNX clone...

 

[corsair231]

I think the rules would be prohibitive to us and keep us from being truly competitive. Internal engine modifications are not regulated but I believe they have to run stock exhaust manifolds and intakes. That would rule out bigger/modified intercoolers, turbos, MAF sensors, and probably ecu's and maybe injectors. IIRC there was also a discussion about fuel allowed and if boost could be changed. Now if mods were allowed to all those systems then we may have a shot at the title.

 

[BEATAV8]

I think the rules would be prohibitive to us and keep us from being truly competitive. Internal engine modifications are not regulated but I believe they have to run stock exhaust manifolds and intakes. That would rule out bigger/modified intercoolers, turbos, MAF sensors, and probably ecu's and maybe injectors. IIRC there was also a discussion about fuel allowed and if boost could be changed. Now if mods were allowed to all those systems then we may have a shot at the title.

Yes I agree, we would have to be "stock appearing", but using monster parts stuffed into stock looking items in order to be competitive.

 

[disco stu]

I think it'd be easy. The intake end exhaust aren't a problem and are proven well beyond what these guys are running. Same with iron heads. Work this stuff over and slap it on a stroker.
Depends on how STOCK appearing. Intercooler would be an area to address. Not necessarily the cooling efficiency aspect as much as the neck restriction. New new Precision stock appearing turbo's would be a dead ringer for this. And boost control that could ramp boost in slowly, but with a stock wastegate actuator. If you were allowed aftermarket ECM's it would not even be fair. Traction control, anybody? The carb guys would be pissed and I would be if I was them too. Guys would be running mid 10's before you know it. And faster than their fastest before too long.

That would be a way fun project. Do it with a Limited to add insult to injury. Landau top, rocker trim, hood ornament, bench seat, column shift, alllllll that.


That is such a cool class though. Those guys got some trickery up their sleeves to make them run like that, on those tires, and still appear stock.

 

[thessman]

Whats the fastest anyone here has gone on gatorbacks?

 

[thessman]

I see that wayne nelson went 10.59 on firesone wide ovals bias ply tires. thats fast !!! completely stock appearing motor. cool class. Theres some fast mopars in there too.

 

[bison]

Sure would be sweet to see an 80's class allowed in the series... those FAST boys would find out what fast is all about.

What 80's car would even come within 1.5 seconds of those e.t.'s listed on that home page? I cant think of any. TR's wont do chit on a 215/65-15 street non drag radial tire. They may allow 255's if you ran a GNX but i still dont see anyone running faster than 11.50 in TR based on the rules they have.

 

[bison]

I think the rules would be prohibitive to us and keep us from being truly competitive. Internal engine modifications are not regulated but I believe they have to run stock exhaust manifolds and intakes. That would rule out bigger/modified intercoolers, turbos, MAF sensors, and probably ecu's and maybe injectors. IIRC there was also a discussion about fuel allowed and if boost could be changed. Now if mods were allowed to all those systems then we may have a shot at the title.

You are correct. The car has to be almost 100% stock. Exhaust and tires can be different but they have to be the same size as stock and exit in the same exact location and no drag radials. Tires are a huge restriction. You can add all the octane and boost you want but it will just make it more of a tire fryer. I could see a totally stock appearing TR run 10's on 215 drag radials but it would take a lot of R&D and a lot of $. Those cars have very very expensive engines and are way beyond what 99.9% of anyone on here would even think.

 

[bison]

New new Precision stock appearing turbo's would be a dead ringer for this.

I doubt they would be allowed unless they used the stock compressor backing plate/compressor housing and the Garrett .63 ex housing.

Guys would be running mid 10's before you know it. And faster than their fastest before too long.

Who has or maybe could even run in the 11's based on those current rules?

That would be a way fun project. Do it with a Limited to add insult to injury. Landau top, rocker trim, hood ornament, bench seat, column shift, alllllll that.


That is such a cool class though. Those guys got some trickery up their sleeves to make them run like that, on those tires, and still appear stock.

The thing they have that 99.9% of the guys on here dont is almost unlimited time for R&D and nearly unlimited funding. I can think of about one on here that could build a top notch competitive FAST TR. Id start with at least 10:1 CR, 260+cubes solid cammed and tons of different shock/spring/torque converter combos on a test car before i even tried it on a pristine original car. Mega $

 

[BEATAV8]

Bison,

Are you saying we couldn't make the power and we couldn't hook with them? The website shows the fastest Ford is only trapping 132. Seems like reasonable territory for a not-so-fancy 109 stroker motor with iron heads.

We should be able to hook to within at least a few tenths. Heck I can pull a 1.91 with 225 Eagle GTII's without even trying. The website shows their fastest Ford is pulling 1.6's with obvious massive weight transfer.

But yes we would need a "TA" series appearing turbo that could do it and that the rules would allow....

And think of the tricks we could pull using even the stock ECM... like less boost in 1st gear just to keep the tires from being torched on the launch, and speed density programming instead of using a real MAF...

 

[jdpolzin]

And E85 fuel or race gas so you dont have all of the Alky kit crap all over the engiine bay. How about a DuttNeck IC? I doubt anybody would notice the difference.

 

[87granny]

Bison,

Are you saying we couldn't make the power and we couldn't hook with them? The website shows the fastest Ford is only trapping 132. Seems like reasonable territory for a not-so-fancy 109 stroker motor with iron heads.

We should be able to hook to within at least a few tenths. Heck I can pull a 1.91 with 225 Eagle GTII's without even trying. The website shows their fastest Ford is pulling 1.6's with obvious massive weight transfer.

But yes we would need a "TA" series appearing turbo that could do it and that the rules would allow....

And think of the tricks we could pull using even the stock ECM... like less boost in 1st gear just to keep the tires from being torched on the launch, and speed density programming instead of using a real MAF...

Yes but how many TR have run 132mph through a stock air filter housing and the factory turbo hose? Let alone the stock turbo just blowing hot air after 22lbs of boost. Would be cool to see but as bison said the research money needed would pile up quick just not cost effective for the weekend racer just my 2 cents.

 

[forcefed3.8's]

A TR has no chance in that class. 132mph is easy in a TSS car, as close to stock appearing but still fast as your going to get IMO. 132mph with a stock intercooler, stock downpipe and elbow, stock air box, stock air tube, stock inlet bell, stock size exhaust, it isn't going to happen. A TA66 Q trim is the biggest that will fit in a stock appearing turbo. I think a 67 has been put in a stock housing, but I think it took the "right" housing to have enough material. A Q trim (HPQ or GTQ) won't fit in a stock Garrett exhaust housing. Can a Precision be used? Does it have to be a .63? The stock inlet can only be opened up to 57 or so mm, so there is a bottle neck. The stock intercooler doesn't flow enough air. A Q exhaust wheel is bigger than the factory exhaust elbow flange.


We painted a 68 Road Runner for a guy who was building it for the FAST class. He is good friends with Dudek. These cars are unreal, and the Hemi engine is a top fuel engine put in a street car. The heads are unreal. The exhaust manifolds are cast iron headers. There is no way anything else can compete with them. They run 10 inch low stall converters and have ballast in the trunk. Thes cars have years of testing and are scienced out. Many engines have been burned up in the making of the fastest pass. It is crazy what they are doing on those tires. I think with some patience, 60' can be figured out letting lag work for you. BTW, Joe Dudek is on the V8 buick board. His engine straight out of his car, with many runs on it made like 777hp. It was getting freshened up, and some other tweaks I am sure.


The funny thing, I drove my car to work when he was there. He asked what it ran. He then said when his RR was done, he wants to race, but on regular tires. I told him it breaks the slicks loose from 75, so I will let him borrow a set of slicks, then we can race. The bad part is my car hasen't even come near to it's potential, and it will still run with their Hemis. I put alot of thought into this class for a TR, and I don't see it happening. It is hard to compete with 565 Hemis. I can see a TSA car going high 10's in the mid 120's, but that is with DR's, and a non stock size exhaust.