Loosing interest........

[Cheeseburger]

Hey thanks guys, you know how it goes.........damn priority's.
Just going to lay low for a while and hope to be out in full force next year.
Thanks for the compliments!

 

[turbot2496]

Gee Golly turbosam very informative...

I'll go around and tell all the 10 sec buick guys that have been running for years around here with the stock block and center steel mains that what there doing is impossible because there isn't a 'shop' around here that can tune turbo buicks. I might have a hard time convincing them that their direct scan programs and cheap laptops that have worked for tuning for years just isn't good enough without a local 'shop' to help out but I'm sure after refering them to your post, they will see the light and stop going tens year after year with such an inferior motor.

I guess I'll also have to tell them that they should be spending at least 3200 on their motors because turbosam says thats what they should be spending. That might be hard too, since most have less than 1/2 that in them, but I'm sure they will understand that the only way to go fast is to spend this much at a professional 'shop'. Yeah, it'll be tough, but I guess I'll have to convince them that they aren't spending enough to be different.

Where do you get off coming on a buick board bragging about your FAILURE to make your buick perform to your expectations and advising someone else to be a quitter like yourself? You left the buick camp for the LS1 camp... fine... but don't blame it on the cars... You are the one that couldn't make it happen for whatever reason that makes you feel good. But to some of us quitting because there isn't a shop next door is.......weak.

At this board we are into turbo buicks....and I hate to see one member advise another to quit on a project for no other reason than his own personal failure. If we wanted to be a clone and go fast in an LS1 we would be posting on LS1.com. Good luck with your car Sam. And Cheeseburger...GET-UR-DONE

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Someone just got kicked in the nuts by a guy with a orange afro...

Holy crap that was a big blow

BW

 

[turbosam6]

No need to take the offensive and be a dick about it, I don't consider my car a failure either. And I never said anything about shops for tuning, I was referring to engine builders for the most part. I no longer have time to do most of my own work, so I may need a shop to do some for me. Congrats if you do have the time, I have a newborn son and I own a business, so sometimes it makes more sense for me to pay someone to work on my cars. For example I paid a local shop to install my nitrous system. I have personally installed quite a few systems myself, but in the 11 hours he had in it, which cost me about $400 or so, I made a couple thousand. Hence its better for me to go that route.

You really should try reading what I post. I never said to "quit" or give up. I said another car might be a nice break from the buick. I never said to sell the buick, I said if it was financially possible to try another car, it gives you a break from the buick. Sometimes thats all it takes. Hell it doesn't have to be another car, it could be a bike, truck, boat, whatever.


My point with the $3200 shortblock was he was making 900+hp on it, not with a $15,000 stage 2 motor.

Like I said, READ what I post. My car was not and is not a failure. And my current car isn't either. You are out of line to say what you said, mostly because you apparently decided to reword my comments. I won't miss the few guys like you I've encountered in the Tr community.

And don't bash other cars, any car can be fast, I just found LS1's are better suited to my needs right now. Maybe a buick is better for others. Great for them. I've learned to respect almost all cars, something you should try.

And quit being a smart ass, we can have a conversation like adults.

 

[Nashty]

I think the Camaro in question has a steel bottom end, albeit a Chinese one, but steel nonetheless.

Most of my enjoyment (and time) are in working on the car. It's my hobby, not my source of income. It's easy to get stuck and wanting to sell it when you're in the situation you are in now. Keep at it, like everything in life, rewards require hard work. I wouldn't dream of paying someone to work on my car for me but that's my personal decision.

I've thought of an LS1 project but I just enjoy the Buicks so much more for many reasons. Nats is always a highlight of my year as is the MW challenge. I went to a picnic over the weekend and had a really nice time with people similiar to myself.

I just did a really boneheaded thing to my car this weekend and ended up getting water in the oil. I immediately thought I'd never make it to the MWC but that race is too important to me so I'm really going to have to work to make it but I give myself about a 90% chance of having the car there.

You want motivation? Look at the responses you've gotten here (save for Sam's less than enthusiastic motivational speech). Your car is nice, really nice!! Go finish it up so you can let others appreciate your hard work and then relish in the pride that you didn't give up and YOU accomplished something. Just jump on something your car needs, you have to get back in the game boy !!

BTW, I agree, your car is lookin' bitchin. Go to a drag race, that should light some fire.

 

[ttypewe4jim]

I know I altrady responded but what kind of mods did you have to make to the wiring harness to hide it that well because it looks amazing man



just be glad you have one I get stuck working on other peoples to kind of make my self happy

 

[Cheeseburger]

I know I altrady responded but what kind of mods did you have to make to the wiring harness to hide it that well because it looks amazing man



just be glad you have one I get stuck working on other peoples to kind of make my self happy

Well you have to be creative and know what's what within all the wires in the main harness!
Working on other people's car is not so bad, the extra $$ come in handy.......that's forsure!

 

[turbot2496]

Not trying to be a dick at all Sam but this is a buick performance board. Cheeseburger looks like he almost has his car done and you come on here crying that GN's are hard to tune, delicate etc etc. I have put no words in your mouth or changed anything you've said. Here it is from your own post.

Why you sold your GN according to you

Its not the GN's fault it wasn't tuned right, but there was no one to tune it, and I was constantly afraid of breaking the delicate motor. I have about 1/2 as much $$$ in my Z28 as I had in my GN and am going just as fast as the Gn will ever go in its current build.

You couldn't economically tune your GN because their was no one there to do it for you but you obviously found someone who could make your LS1 fast for you so that is obviously the better car. I'm glad your honest with yourself but this is a weak excuse to most of us. My opinion. You changed cars because YOU couldn't do it. In your own words is wasn't the GN's fault.

Just my opinion, I loved my GN and will always think they are awesome, but an 11 second street car isn't the terror it used to be, and sad to say its so much easier to be fast in another more mainstream car. I could have kept the GN, I didn't need the money, but it was just sitting and I didn't wanna be that guy who lets a GN sit for years.

This statement is ludicrous. An 11 sec street car is still a terror you've just been hangin around with the big boys so long you've lost sight of it. Sure there are more cars out there being built that are capable but I encounter very few owners who take their cars to this level. As far as LS1 owners not afraid of hurting there motors.... I haved talked to several who have blown up using nitrous like anything else. Most are just as scared as anybody of blowing something up and like the buick camp there are those LS1 guys who aren't afraid and take it to the limit. I believe we have a buick guy on here somewhere who runs high 9's on a stock bottom end....

The problem as I stated in an earlier post is planning. If you plan to run a 9 sec street car then I don't care what the moniker is .... your gonna spend some cash. Is it easier to go fast with a bigger ci engine?.... Wellll Yeaaahhh why stop at an LS1... why not go 502 or bigger. Point is we are at this board because we are interested in Buick performance...It sounds like after spending megadollars somewhere along the way you figured out this simple fact. Well duh.... I've got a friend with a certified low 8 sec big block monza .... I guess I should jump off the buick band wagon and buy a big block monza. If we were interested in going fast in another way we would be on that board.

If your ultimate goal is to go as fast as possible economically then I gotta tell ya... the ls1 is a horrible choice too. Its all in what you want to do. I have a friend here who ran his t-type year after year in the mid 10's at 125 mph with no problems and had nothing in the car. When he sold the car he would have took 8500 for it and he was probably losing nothing. He started just like you probably but planned very well and had friends who showed him how to do it affordably and I'm sure he's thankfull for guys who gave up and sold everything because thats where he got most of his deals on his parts.

I said another car might be a nice break from the buick. I never said to sell the buick, I said if it was financially possible to try another car, it gives you a break from the buick. Sometimes thats all it takes. Hell it doesn't have to be another car, it could be a bike, truck, boat, whatever.

And this is a horrible ideal also in my opinion. Don't lose sight of what your trying to accomplish. Getting sidetracked is a horrible ideal. Accomplish your goal. Get it done and then start on something else. Going that route you end up having 4 or 5 race cars or other crap that aren't done instead of one.

Anyway I'm glad your happy with your current car and I hope maybe you get some inkling of what I'm talking about by reading through this drivel and yes I was bored today with a little too much time on my hands. I will concede and let you have the last word on this ... I'm done. Keep going Fast with Class.... even though you jumped ship

 

[buickpower]

Cheeseburger, that car and motor look mean as hell, it makes me green with envy. Like somebody said, attending a buick event with a bunch of gung-ho buick diehards would definitely help, motivation is very contagious.

Just remember the following:

TPS voltage is directly proportional to the rate at which all of the frustration and busted knuckles are forgotten. :biggrin:

 

[turbosam6]

Getting burned out is as bad as getting sidetracked, if not worse. Thats why I said to just mess with something else. Alot of car guys I know have bikes too, for the simple reason its simple and fast and when they get burned out on their cars they can hop on and relax a little. That was my whole point.

As far as LS1's being a horrible choice, well they've been low 7's, so they can't be all bad. Its similar to the buick stuff, good mileage, good manners, etc., but more durable. One look at the bottom end will tell you that.

And Nashty, it was a stock block and crank, no steel but the rods.

 

[SPOOLN]

Hey Cheese, You have a very nice ride , put a car cover on it and forget about for now. Wait a month and take the car cover off it will be like a new feeling again. Hell buy an LS1 and beat on it awhile. You will be happy to know the grass is not greener on the other side.

Get rid of the Wolf bar and get the HRs parts one, its way nicer.

 

[laz]

Hey cheesburger don't give up atleast go out and beat the snot out of it first
i know it sucks to build something and never get to the track . I done that a few times and have regreted it big timeso have some fun first . To Sam i own an ls1 and i think there awesome i sold my buick and have lots of fun with my camaro on pump gas .I would not go reading magazine articles and quoting numbers they don't mean **** imho . I have a car i built with a stock buick block and crank and has run 9.35@146.89 best numbers and we have run over 100 mid 9 second passes at 3400 or more on the same block crank rods piston exc. . I think its all in whos workin on it and most ls1 are very lightweight i have friends that race em and hold records all there cars are lightweight gutted so go to a few races see the cars before you quote gm high tech .

 

[turbosam6]

Normally I have the same opinion of magazine numbers, but I happen to know about that car as its not too far from me. Its hard to trust magazine numbers since they are advertising for the companies who's products they use.

You guys should check out Parish's new dyno numbers, I'm tellin' ya the LS1 stuff is cool. And he's still using a production block!

 

[turbosam6]

Oh and I know alot of the f body guys gut their cars, so its not an apples to apples comparison, but my car is far from gutted, as a matter of fact its loaded, and with my big ass in the seat it still hauls. If I gutted it like some others I've seen it would be really fast, but I like my street car.

 

[BandAid]

You guys should check out Parish's new dyno numbers, I'm tellin' ya the LS1 stuff is cool. And he's still using a production block!

Link Sam dont leave me hangin :biggrin:

 

[86brick]

You guys should check out Parish's new dyno numbers, I'm tellin' ya the LS1 stuff is cool. And he's still using a production block!

Link Sam dont leave me hangin :biggrin:

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164782

 

[Cheeseburger]

Thanks for the input guys, will get my a** in gear and have the project finished up a.s.a.p.
Finally booked for the chassis shop, once that is takin care of i will fab up a rear firewall/exhaust and it will be alot closer.
Still debating on installing a battery cutoff switch and who's wb02 and boost controller to go with.
Oh, and then there is addressing the brakes, looks like i may end up with an aftermarket 4 wheel disk set up for a winter project possibly and then the spending will be over.................YAH RIGHT, the spending is never over! LOL.

Hey and when and if i decide to sell, it will be a $20,000 loss out of my pocket.........gotta love cars! :wink: :biggrin:

 

[turbosam6]

I knew 'Brick would be on it!

That truck is insane, just unbelievable. Gotta wonder what it would in a 3000 lb. camaro with the right suspension.

With all this $$$ burning a hole in my pocket its so hard not to go to a turbo 408 setup similar to his. I'm just fighting the urge, my cars so streetable and reliable now, I'm trying not to get to where my GN was. 1000 HP on pump gas in my car would be killer though.....good thoughts in, bad thoughts out, good thoughts in, bad thoughts out..... :biggrin: