New Toyota Tundra ads really annoying me

[Renthorin]

Just want to vent a bit about the new Tundra ads.

Stuff like:

"For years you have asked for a truck with a 6-speed transmission....happy birthday. The new Tundra...bla bla bla"

"For years full size trucks offered 300 ft-lbs of torque....Tundra has 400..bla bla bla"

I thought they were comping the Tundra (26k-32k) to the ½ ton Silverado (18k) and such. But for the price you need to step up to the the 2500 Silverado(24k)

Let's see......2500 has 6-speed and 660 lb.-ft. of torque....huh.....

Why are they pushing these ads at us so hard? Oh wait....I know...probably trying to make us forget about the NUMEROUS recalls over the past few years for this truck. Ball joints...brakes...exhaust rubbing on brake lines.... steering problems ...frame collapsing.......

Buy American!!!

 

[corymc]

yeah they have been annoying me too.

 

[SGRIM]

Yeah espically the one driving through the closing wall and braking at the cliff

When I need a truck with power I am going to get my HD:biggrin:

 

[Tom Tom Turbo]

my buddy has an 04 Tundra and that's all I hear about is how cool those commercials are. I am gonna light the damn thing on fire!

 

[Renthorin]

"It's one ugly truck all right. Problem is, it can be a little uglier than the buyer expects. Tundra is one of the models that is putting a pretty big blemish on Toyota's reputation for quality, reliability and customer service."

I am all about safety so please make sure your friend is aware of the following:

- Owners having to replace brakes after 17,000 miles. One owner had said “47000 miles. I am on my 7th set of front brakes & 2nd set of rotors and 2nd set of rears”

- Toyota is once again recalling the Tundra and Sequoia for faulty ball joints 1/19/2007

- Toyota said a rod linking the steering wheel and the wheels may fracture under conditions where the steering wheel is turned while the vehicle is stopped.

- Biggest problem? The brakes. A design oversight can cause the front rotors to warp and wear prematurly. Toyota's response has been to keep quiet and hope the problem goes away. Not likely.

- Toyota said there is a possibility of excessive wear to a front-suspension lower ball joint that could make it difficult to steer the vehicle. The latest recall comes on the heels of a similar recall in May 2005. Toyota recalled about 775,000 of its pickups and SUVs then because of similar problems with the front suspension

- exhaust rubbing on brake lines causing them to leak.

- air bags not deploying with enough force.

 

[turbofish38]

It would be interesting to make a few "come back" commercials for the Big 2.5. For example.

We've(Big 2.5) been making full sized trucks for over 100 years.
We've been making V-8 powered trucks for 75 years.
We've been making automatic transmissions for 58 years.
We've been offering diesels for 27 years(47 if you count the 60's GMs with the Detroit Diesel).

Here's how I would do it.

For years you've been wanting a powerful V-8 and they gave you a 4 cylinder.
For years you've been wanting an automatic and they gave you a clutch.
For years you've been wanting a GVWR over 7,000 pounds and they gave you what?
In the back ground would be a 70's vintage mini truck.
Welcome to the world of real trucks. Posuers and poor gas mileage.
In the background would be a Tundra monster truck squashing a Prius.

Somebody needs to beetch slap Toyota with a history lesson.

 

[Renthorin]

I love that idea

 

[GNTIM]

Toyotas are over rated, I have a good friend who works as a service writer at a TOY dealership and makes over 100,000 a year. I wonder why?! I remember back when they first put v6 engines in the trucks they were having an unreal amount split right down the intake valley. And I do mean an unreal amount. Oh, and there was the variable venturi carb Tercel years, the inline 6 cyl models leaking oil-smoking-blowing up and.....

 

[little]

just my 2 cents... I know you guys are pro-american and I appreciate that. But please keep in mind Toyota actually employs a lot of your fellow americans at good wages both directly and indirectly. I happen to work at a Dana facility that supplies frames for the Princeton IN tundra plant. So, even though I wouldn't personally own a tundra,(87 gn, 93 5.0 droptop, 97 escort, 97 Jimmy) I am glad someone wants them. Those tundras help take care of my family. Keep in mind, they only want to sell 200-250k a year which is a small share of the market. I think they're ugly too, but like I said, I wouldn't own one. Also, since when was GM's recall list spotless? I'm not dogging them, I'm a GM fan. Just don't be so down on Toy's because some of us americans depend on them for our paychecks.

 

[1 RARE T]

I understand the hate that goes on in a Buick forum but remember that all those brake recalls may be due to products produced in the U.S.A.

The auto plants, including so called "imports" are subject to North American content restrictions when building vehicles here.

I would'nt think that the brake assemblies and pads came from Japan but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[INEEDAGN]

My favorite one is the ring gear commercial. How often do you see a ring gear failure on a domestic truck? 99% of the mechanics in this country could count the ones they've seen in their life on one hand if they've seen any at all. Also the only reason you would need a six speed auto is a narrow power band engine. I will admit though, that the domestics are all gonna have the six speeds in the near future. Probably for the same reason. They may sell some of these trucks in the city but they will never show up out here on the rural farms. It is a good situaton for me because i hate working on imports.

bob

 

[TexasT]

Count me in as one of the "Haters". If it doesn't have a BowTie or at the very least a blue oval on the front of it I'm not the least bit interested(as far a trucks go). If they were the "last one standing" I'd buy used Chevies and keep repairing them. That's how much I wouldn't own a "foreign" vehicle. I don't care how 'reliable' you think it is, my '94 Daily Driver Suburban has 265K so I'll stay with what I know works. I don't even care that they are built here in America I still wouldn't own one.

The ads are all about perception. I say they can repeat how great, reliable, long lasting etc... 'til they're blue in the face. I still wouldn't buy one and I'm not sure I'd drive one if it was given to me. I'd sell it and buy a GM. I'm a diehard even though they can't seem to get their stuff together.

And to little I hope someone buys these 'til the cows come home so you can feed your family.

 

[Roc87]

Even the guys voice is annoying . They should have stuck to making just the little trucks, did those have as many recalls? Even though most "foreign" vehicles are starting to be assembled in the US, I've got to say they are just hideous looking.

 

[GSX-PKV]

Even the guys voice is annoying . They should have stuck to making just the little trucks, did those have as many recalls? Even though most "foreign" vehicles are starting to be assembled in the US, I've got to say they are just hideous looking.

I agree they are hideous looking and maybe they need a person for the commercials with a voice who has a Japanese accent. :wink:

 

[Renthorin]

I am sooo going to get slapped for this but....

"For long time now you all get American truck that work just fine. Now we take your design and we copy it. Our truck look like you truck....it have same 6-speed transmission as you truck....it have 250 ft lbs less than you truck....and it cost more than you truck....

You buy our truck because we Toyota....and you no pay attention to recall problems......they not real....."

 

[tom h]

...Tundra is one of the models that is putting a pretty big blemish on Toyota's reputation for quality, reliability and customer service. ..

YET, despite all that, Toyota seems like teflon -- no adverse fact sticks to them. The press falls all over themselves, breathlessly fawning over all things Toyota. When Toyota does screw up, they are praised for recalling the vehicles, whereas GM would get crucified for doing the same.

The typical california moron believes "I have a Toyota and it's so good I never even change the oil".

 

[Renthorin]

"I have a Toyota and it's so good I never even change the oil".

And they may not have to...just the brakes..over and over again....

 

[SVORay]

I would rather die than own a forign vehicle


The thing that goes through my mind is education. I simply don't think the average American is educated in demestic cars. We all pretty much grew up with a wrench in our hands but what about the new group of car owners? It just seems to me these younger guys comming up have really no wrench time. They don't know much other than whats on a TV ad. This group is also exceptible to hype. So I think in their realallity, their buying the best vehicle for the buck. They don't think about companies like Ford who's been building trucks for almost a 100 years.

 

[tom h]

Bmw

And, dont get me started on BMWs. Girlfriend has an AWD model X5, purchased by her father as a gift 5 yrs ago, who probably figured "it's expensive and german, what can go wrong?". Everything on those cars seems to cost double what a chevy or ford would.

As just one example, at 70K miles, the BMW needed new CV boots (over $1300). At 175K miles, the boots on my 94 chevy k-blazer are still perfectly fine. The front turn-signal lamps on the BMW are not (easily) user serviceable- dealer had to replace last time the car was in shop for intermittent cold-no-start problems.

Yes, the BMW may be more "refined" but I prefer driving my truck chassis SUV!

 

[Devil Car]

Being from the younger generation, I too am completely sick of the fact that today's buyer automatically thinks that Toyota's (or any Japanese car manufacturer's) quality far surpasses anything that is made by an American auto manufacturer. So many times, I have had discussions with people my age, who believe that just because it is a Japanese owned company, the quality is so much better.

What kills me is the fact that the Japanese auto manufacturers gained their reputations for reliability during a time frame when their vehicles were hard pressed to make 100 HP. How hard is it to make an engine last forever when it never stresses any components? I had a friend that had a bone stock Nissan Sentra Type-R that needed a new engine after only 30K miles How do people overlook things like this? I know it wasn't a Toyota, but people just automatically look at Japanese cars as being better made.

Also, Toyota never really releases anything revolutionary or significantly different. They continue to build on the same technology for 10 years or more. Of course over a period of 10 years, you can continue to improve something to a point where it will have great reliability!!! On the other hand, American auto manufacturers continue to release new and innovative products. Maybe this is their downfall, but I can't say that the release of the 7.0L LS7 with dry sump lubrication, 500 HP, etc., etc. was a bad thing

In retrospect, my '92 Chevy K2500 has almost 150K hard miles on it and has never had any serious issues. Not to say that it is perfect, but I've seriously beat on it over the years by off-roading it and carrying heavy loads. Although, I've been contemplating putting a newer engine in it (possibly a LQ9 or a 6.0 Liter out of a newer truck), I know that with a little preventive maintenance (maybe a new timing chain and some valvesprings), I could continue to beat on this thing for another 100K. I'd like to see one of these new Japanese "full-size" trucks live the same life without any issues...