Re: Re: Re: Kerry saves you money, instead of Bush taking it
Originally posted by smokin'6
We shouldn't listen to news sources? We should get our information for the unbiased world of internet forums?
Its simple, Im not Democrat or Repulican, Im not a Kerry supporter, I believe in free speech, believe our country's health care is a disgrace, just watched the biggest terror attack in history while Bush was at the helm. And, I certainly believe in people freedom of choice, the most important right I believe the Bush administration is trying to take away, just look at the gay marriage, abortion, and FCC fiasco that is currently going on. I want to say I won't continue on in the fight since as of last nite, some started to become personal, simply showing their immaturity. But with 8 months to go, Im not sure how much more Kerry/Dem bashing post I, or others really want to see in the lounge, we should have a political section started with all the post you guys are starting!!
I agree, this site should have a specific section dedicated to political debate.
Let me address your concerns one at a time;
Originally posted by smokin'6
We shouldn't listen to news sources? We should get our information for the unbiased world of internet forums?
No, not at all. News sources are about the best way to get information however listening to just one, or a select few news sources may give you a select or slanted view of a particular topic. Personally, I listen to many news outlets. Admittedly most are conservative but lend an ear to those on the left as well, then I form my OWN opinion based on a variety of news outlets that cross the political spectrum. Internet forums (for me) are simply a place to chat or debate the issues, not a place to GET information.
Originally posted by smokin'6
Its simple, Im not Democrat or Repulican, Im not a Kerry supporter, I believe in free speech, believe our country's health care is a disgrace, just watched the biggest terror attack in history while Bush was at the helm.
Contrary to what some may think, I too am not a Dem or Rep. However my personal views fall on the conservative side. For the record I have voted for Democrats. I believe in free speech as well and have yet to see this administration or Congress abridge that right in any way, shape or form. As far as health care goes it's not the federal government's responsibility to provide health care to anyone other than those on Social Security. Health care is NOT a right. Universal health care is SOCIALISM pure and simple. We as a free people MUST rely on one's self and not the government to ensure you're taken care of.
Originally posted by smokin'6
I certainly believe in people freedom of choice, the most important right I believe the Bush administration is trying to take away, just look at the gay marriage, abortion, and FCC fiasco that is currently going on.
What evidence can you provide that the Bush administration is attempting to abridge "freedom of choice"? Gays have never had the "right" to marry. I have never read that right in the Constitution, have you? The government has the right to define "marriage" just as they have the right to define "driver", plain and simple. This issue is primarily a STATE'S RIGHTS issue to begin with. Individual states issue marriage licenses, not the federal government and it's within their jurisdiction to define who may or may not receive a marriage license. Just as they have the jurisdiction to decide the requirements on who receives driver's licenses, hunting licenses and so on. Again, a license to marry IS NOT a right though the pro-gay marriage crowd is trying to argue it is.
As far as the FCC is concerned you're confusing freedom of speech with that of freedom of speech on broadcast television. As soon as you start speaking on television you're now subject to regulation by the FCC. Feedom of speech is NOT absolute, remember you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre thus jeopardizing everyone's lives by being trampled to death. If you want to speak your mind using vulgarity on pay TV, R rated films, satellite, internet, public protests and the like you're welcome to do so. The 1st amendment will protect you. You have as much right to speak your mind just as the next person has the right not to hear vulgarity in public.
Originally posted by smokin'6
I won't continue on in the fight since as of last nite, some started to become personal, simply showing their immaturity. But with 8 months to go, Im not sure how much more Kerry/Dem bashing post I, or others really want to see in the lounge, we should have a political section started with all the post you guys are starting!!
Personally, I wish you'd stay. Even if some attack you personally don't take it to heart. Take the high road and address the issues, not the insults. Usually when people resort to insults it indicates a lack of opposing issues and maturity. Let the insults bounce off thick skin and debate using facts, leave the emotion out of logical discussion.
Peace,
