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ttypewhite

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Just wondering if a direct port alky kit would be something you would be interested in doing in the near future? I have your dual nozzle alky kit on my car now. Is there anything that could be done to my existing kit to make it a direct port?
 
Said this way.

In the years doing this somethings I know, I think, I've experienced, heard about, etc.

One thing is for sure.. It takes a certain amount of time for the methanol to flash into the air.. that being said this stuff works better when the nozzles are further back than close up. Simple example of this a few weeks ago I had a customer with an LS motor and he located the IAT 1 inch in front of the nozzles.. the result was his IAT wasnt going down. Moving the nozzles back and separating it all of a sudden the IAT slams down. Further.. is like threads where IC is removed and one nozzle is set way back and the other one forward.. temp slams down..

So if the distance is set closer.. we will get octane but not the cooling we expect. And then the question of distribution pops up. Even Pro cars that run on methanol will put some injectors up-stream.. If anything nozzles would have to fire downward into the ports for distribution.. and then controlling volume.. then is the complexity worth any gain? Example.. make a custom plate, 6 nozzles, solenoid, wirng, gaskets, etc.. Not simply putting 6 nozzles into a spacer like a Champion piece. Then does this spacer cause any airflow distribution issues? And who wants to guinea pig their 10K motor?

Wish there was a simple answer, unfortunately you complicate something that may not need to be complicated.

Personally I think that putting nozzles further back would help more for cooling and sheer volume. As I understand it, the issues stem for pumping in too much methanol and not having enough time for it to distribute causing a distribution problem somebody wants to fix by going to a plate system. ;)
 
Razor, how far away can I safely put a single nozzle away from the throttle body if I don't want any octane just drop air charge?
I currently have dual nozzle and was running a lot of meth and had distribution issues in past.
I want chemical intercooling only. I thought of going single nozzle m15 and setting number 1 but your response makes me think maybe I could plumb in in further downstream?

Thanks
 
Razor, how far away can I safely put a single nozzle away from the throttle body if I don't want any octane just drop air charge?
I currently have dual nozzle and was running a lot of meth and had distribution issues in past.
I want chemical intercooling only. I thought of going single nozzle m15 and setting number 1 but your response makes me think maybe I could plumb in in further downstream?

Thanks

If all you want is cooling why not just use a single M10. If the knob has to be on position 8 and you want more, step in the M15 nozzle.

2-m10's is way too much for cooling only. Unless your not running an IC.. thats a whole other subject.

Easy test, cap of one of your nozzles, bypass the T fitting and two braided hoses.. and watch IAT. Nozzles where they are are non-issue.
 
I got a big FMIC and two M15s on setting number 8 right now.
So basically one m10 and setting 1 thru 4 wont give any octane with the higher boost?
Will check IAT once car is fully operational later this week.
 
See you say you want cooling only. You have a front mount meaning that should already work well. You don't need that much methanol to cool down the charge past what the front mount can do.

This assumes you run sufficient octane for the given boost you plan on running. Becuase cool air is not s substitute for octane.

2 m15's is a crazy amount of meth for someone wanting cooling only.
 
Thats what I was running last year. Was running it for octane and cooling.
Now I dont ever want any octane again just cooling with Alky. All the Alky went to 4 back cylinders skipped the first two.
I already removed one nozzle and beefed up my fuel system.
I have several of your nozzles, do the M10 and M15 have numbers on them to see which size is which?
 
If you are trying a direct port, I think that water would be a better choice. It doesn’t remove heat from the air nearly as well as methanol, but can remove much more heat from the CC. If you are going to inject methanol direct port you might as well up your injector size, and not have to worry about clogging. The big problem with direct port is knowing if your nozzles are clogged. With smaller nozzles you can’t identify a problem as easily as with a big one.
 
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