theft deterant ideas

[oddfire6]

hi guys just bought my first ever grand national today. what are you guys doing/using to help with theft deterant. i was thinking of splicing a switch into the purple wire and having to turn on the horn or something to start the car...wadda think...thanks

 

[PhilM]

http://www.alltrackusa.com/

I like the option of meeting the offender


Bypassing starter sol or FP will only work for about 2 minutes... chances are they have more than that time. The above link is the best alarm/tracking solution I have ever seen. I especially like the fact that is calls your phone when the car detects motion/movement/shock, etc (you also snag door-dingers)... Truth is, you can only rely on yourself to find your car. The police will not find it in time and Lojack is only offerred in specific regions. If you do install the above system, and to be a perfect solution, you tack weld box channel around the wiring and the unit so that it cannot ever be cut. Even if you don't do all that, if your trigger is shock, it will already have sent the initial notification signal before they can find the antenna or wiring. But if they do find it and it's not protected, then you wont be able to track the car if they manage to drive/tow it away at a later time instance... There are many other tricks to make the install flawless, but I will not divulge anymore here.

Phil

 

[nailheadpowered]

Go with a hidden kill a tracking device and a fully loaded 9mm :biggrin:

 

[flattype]

Keep a pit-bull in there at all times. That will work just make sure he gets regular breaks

 

[SpoolinUpGN]

The collar around the steering column is a common theft deterrent, and then some sort of alarm. I just put in a two-way remote system that alerts you (so long as you're within range of the car) if the alarm is going off, if its running, if the door is open, if it's been hit, etc. That GPS tracking system sounds nice but i'm not sure how much $ that is, this wasn't too cheap either i guess but I like it.

Oh plus its an autostart so you can use it as a turbotimer, lets the car idle for one minute if you press it before you shut it off

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

http://www.alltrackusa.com/

I like the option of meeting the offender


Bypassing starter sol or FP will only work for about 2 minutes... chances are they have more than that time. The above link is the best alarm/tracking solution I have ever seen. I especially like the fact that is calls your phone when the car detects motion/movement/shock, etc (you also snag door-dingers)... Truth is, you can only rely on yourself to find your car. The police will not find it in time and Lojack is only offerred in specific regions. If you do install the above system, and to be a perfect solution, you tack weld box channel around the wiring and the unit so that it cannot ever be cut. Even if you don't do all that, if your trigger is shock, it will already have sent the initial notification signal before they can find the antenna or wiring. But if they do find it and it's not protected, then you wont be able to track the car if they manage to drive/tow it away at a later time instance... There are many other tricks to make the install flawless, but I will not divulge anymore here.

Phil

good link thanks dude

 

[madhat]

hide it in a bank vault surrounded by the entire army

 

[bilt2run]

buy a turbo tweak chip it will not be stolen.... unless its a board member

 

[stickybones]

Doesn't public discussion of theft deterrent devices...joking or not...defeat their very purpose?

 

[salvageV6]

Only when you get into specifics which nobody has just yet.

I'd do a crankshaft sensor interrupt switch (mulitple poles in case one goes intermittant or a multiple pole relay) hidden of course.

Wire is easily accessed over by the ECM and even if they have another ECM and chip setup it still won't work in the car unless they rewire it.

Column guard and a paging or GPS alarms are also good ideas.

 

[PhilM]

the GPS alarm you could talk about all day... if they touch your car once, they're done... I could post where I place the unit and it would still be unstoppable, at least for the initial call!

 

[wbrophy]

Only when you get into specifics which nobody has just yet.

I'd do a crankshaft sensor interrupt switch (mulitple poles in case one goes intermittant or a multiple pole relay) hidden of course.

Wire is easily accessed over by the ECM and even if they have another ECM and chip setup it still won't work in the car unless they rewire it.

Column guard and a paging or GPS alarms are also good ideas.

Sounds good to me, what wire (#/color's) and best place to sprice/find.

 

[TURBOELKY]

best theft device

dont buy a gn, or an elky, or a monte, and you wont have to worry about it. :smile: if you do have one, go to steadfastautosecurity.com I believe, get that perminant collar device, i've seen this el camino restorer replace about 10 columns where they tried to steel the elky, but only ended up damaging the column, not getting away with the car. Take it from somebody who grew up in Los Angeles, and I dont mean beverly hills. It works.

 

[TURBOELKY]

oh yeah

its the steadfast collar, you cannot remove it once on, and they have it in pretty chrome too

 

[garyk1970]

i can get gps location systems with realtime (internet tracking) to you guys for $399 through my store...easy to install,completely hidden,starter shut off,etc. you then only pay when you need to check on car,not every month like most systems...

 

[PhilM]

What model is it?

 

[garyk1970]

cant recall model # off the top of my head, but company is called ONTRAKK

can also be allerted if your teen driver is speeding,etc

 

[Brer Rabbit]

Tracking device is the only option...

Car thiefs are not limited to slim jims and a screw driver ...Most towtruck drivers are car thiefs and will slip in and snatch ur car in less than 30 seconds(without even getting out of the truck). So the audible alarm is great but the fact is that people dont pay attention to an alarm going off, and the kill switch will prevent the traditional thief, but Mr tow truck driver will get ur car if he wants it. It sure would be nice to go find ur car before ur new big dollar motor has been yanked and the interior gutted. By the way I tend to agree with Nailheadpowered----9mm works but I prefer the knockdown power of my 200 grain plus p rounds found in my Sig Sauer .45 .

 

[Quiky One]

Some kill switches and a club. I know people say the club will make them cut the wheel, but it will also take them longer. It always gets back to if they want it, they can tow it.

Jason

 

[salvageV6]

Here's how I did the interrupt in the GN, the WE4 has the extender chip with anti-theft in it already.

I used a typical small hidden, or exposed and mislabeled switch to control a 2, 3 or 4 pole low current mini-12 volt relay.

When the switch is ON it gives a ground to the relay coil directly, the other side of the relay coil is connected to IGN switch power. So if you have the key on and this switch is OFF the relay is not energized and the car can't be started, also with the anti-theft switch left on there is still no power to the relay without the key ON in the IGN position, so no draw on the battery should you leave the anti-theft switch ON meaning (anti-theft off) by mistake when the car is shut off.

Terminal B5 on the ECM is the crank reference output of the coil pack and module assembly, it is a purple wire with white stripe, cut it up far enough from the ECM and nobody will know or look there, very easy to hide the modification with black harness tape. Even if a new ECM is installed in the car it still won't start.

When open circuit via the relay the car won't run at all and will die when driving as well so don't put your switch near other things you touch or can be touched while driving by anyone other than the driver in a movement that is not likely to occur when driving.

I just used the output poles of the relay commoned together so that they make up 2-4 switches, all the common contacts of the relay to one side of the cut purple/white wire and the other 2-4 normally/open contacts to the other side of the cut purple/white wire.

Unless the relay contacts are closed with the coil energized via IGN. power and your switch for coil GND the car will not get a crank signal.

The IGN terminal in the fuse panel works fine to provide +12 power with key on for the relay, fuse it at about 2-5 amp.s since the relay coil could take up to 1.

NAPA has fuse panel plug in pigtail wires for the open IGN slots in the fuse box.