Time to go Stage II!

[geno]

Do you blame me for making my realistic goal 1,530? D

If or when you do this i wont want to kick your ass anymore..
So 1350 to the tire and no bottle and live to see the track?
I really hope you do this and not rub it in because i know you would
Im saying i would respect anybody that can do that including you Don
It just seems that the long spool up time without the bottle on the dyno will be nerve racking up at 9000 rpm.My car seemed like it took forever and i dont think we took it past 7200.

 

[HighPSI]

The new cid will be 228.07. Just a slight bore and hone for the new pistons. Same short stroke.

I was not aware you were using the same stroke. If you make over 1500 flywheel hp with that, I will be impressed. The most I have done on a chasis dyno with a Buick is 1240 and that was with 272ci

 

[geno]

I've seen the videos of your car on the dyno. Those big tires were ET streets? I saw another early video where it looked like the Goodyears were on the car before the car was even finished.
I'm just learning here, so excuse me if I come up with questions that seem elementary. Don't big oversized tires on a dyno eat up some of the rwhp?

I had ET streets that were about 2" narrower than the 33X17 Slicks..It didnt chew the tire up but we had the rear end housing strapped down pretty tight.

 

[geno]

I was not aware you were using the same stroke. If you make over 1500 flywheel hp with that, I will be impressed. The most I have done on a chasis dyno with a Buick is 1240 and that was with 272ci

What turbo was that Cal?

 

[Alky V6]

If or when you do this i wont want to kick your ass anymore..
So 1350 to the tire and no bottle and live to see the track?
I really hope you do this and not rub it in because i know you would
Im saying i would respect anybody that can do that including you Don
It just seems that the long spool up time without the bottle on the dyno will be nerve racking up at 9000 rpm.My car seemed like it took forever and i dont think we took it past 7200.

What's the 1,350 to the tire? Where did that number materialize from?

 

[Alky V6]

We already know that I'm hoping for 1,530 bhp.
The big question is, what is my drivetrain losses percentage? lazaris has given us his estimation of a range for drivetrain losses with an automatic. My range is a little different. I am by no means an expert on this subject, but I feel that it is possible to have more than 22% drivetrain losses. I have no data to back up that assumption. I just have a gut feeling about it.
I'm going to use 23% for drivetrain losses with the present TC that I plan on using.
1,530 x .77 = 1,178

In case you guys missed it. Here is my rwhp estimate. The last number in the above quote of a post I made earlier.
1,178 rwhp.
I'm estimating 1,530 bhp / 228 cid = 6.71 bhp/ci
1,178 rwhp / 228 cid = 5.17 rwhp/ci

 

[geno]

In case you guys missed it. Here is my rwhp estimate. The last number in the above quote of a post I made earlier.
1,178 rwhp.
I'm estimating 1,530 bhp / 228 cid = 6.71 bhp/ci
1,178 rwhp / 228 cid = 5.17 rwhp/ci

So 1,530 flyweel HP and 1178 RWHP means a loss of 352 HP witch is 23% loss? So almost 1/4 of the power is lost in the drive train?? Help me understand were the 352 Hp is going ? We made 1050 RWHP and add 23% that would mean it made 1291.5 Crank HP on 31# boost? I think thats is a little on the high side.

 

[baadgn]

So 1,530 flyweel HP and 1178 RWHP means a loss of 352 HP witch is 23% loss? So almost 1/4 of your power is lost in the drive train?? Help me understand were the 352 Hp is going ?

Its getting lost in his "mismatched parts that all come together" to create the impossiable......... im suprised you dont see that Geno

 

[Alky V6]

So 1,530 flyweel HP and 1178 RWHP means a loss of 352 HP witch is 23% loss? So almost 1/4 of the power is lost in the drive train?? Help me understand were the 352 Hp is going ? We made 1050 RWHP and add 23% that would mean it made 1291.5 Crank HP on 31# boost? I think thats is a little on the high side.

Gene. I've already explained that your car is not losing as much hp through the TC as mine. In your case, I wouldn't use 23% for drivetrain losses. Your TC is much more efficient than mine. Remember when I figured out your TC slip percentage from the numbers you presented on your car? Lower slippage is going to translate into less drivetrain losses. If you're looking for a drivetrain loss number from me for your car, I'd say it's more in the range of 15 - 20%, being closer to 15.
I'm not going to explain, AGAIN, why hp is being lost in the TC, and why some are losing more than others. I've already tried to do that in the last half dozen pages or so. If the light bulbs haven't gone off for you by now, I can't help you. You need further tutoring from an expert. See if Dusty can make it clearer for you.

 

[Alky V6]

Its getting lost in his "mismatched parts that all come together" to create the impossiable......... im suprised you dont see that Geno

Gene. Don't bother asking Tony about the subject of hp lost in the TC. He doesn't have a clue.

 

[Alky V6]

Gene seems surprised by how much bhp can be lost through the TC.
Here's a quick quiz;

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost to the cooling system in the form of heat?

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost through the exhaust system in the form of heat? Not counting the hp that is recovered by the turbo.

First person to answer the above questions correctly gets a lollipop.

 

[geno]

Im not beating you down here Don When you make more power and not change the converter do you think the one you have will couple better at the higher rpm and HP? You never did answer my question of (It just seems that the long spool up time without the bottle on the dyno will be nerve racking up at 9000 rpm.)

 

[geno]

Gene seems surprised by how much bhp can be lost through the TC.
Here's a quick quiz;

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost to the cooling system in the form of heat?

Approximately what percentage of hp that is generated in the cylinders by the burning of the air/fuel charge is lost through the exhaust system in the form of heat? Not counting the hp that is recovered by the turbo.

First person to answer the above questions correctly gets a lollipop.

352 Hp LOL That loss of power has nothing to do the loss of power between the crank and rear tires? So thats my answer ..

 

[Alky V6]

Im not beating you down here Don When you make more power and not change the converter do you think the one you have will couple better at the higher rpm and HP? You never did answer my question of (It just seems that the long spool up time without the bottle on the dyno will be nerve racking up at 9000 rpm.)

Dusty and I have both gone over the exact subject you're asking about. On this thread, multiple times. I'm not going to start into that again. Go back and go through what's already been discussed, and if you have any further questions, quote the post you have a question on.

I have no clue how this turbo is going to spool on the dyno with this TC and this new engine powercurve. We'll just have to wait and see. I may have to jump start things with a short shot of go juice. We'll see.

 

[Alky V6]

352 Hp LOL That loss of power has nothing to do the loss of power between the crank and rear tires? So thats my answer ..

Sorry. Your answer is WRONG. No lollipop for you. You're welcome to try another answer.

 

[Alky V6]

Gene. Do you realize that much, much more hp is lost to the cooling system alone than is lost in the TC?
The same goes for the exhaust system. Now add those two systems together, and that's more hp lost than is actually making it to the flywheel.
The amount of hp lost through the TC is tiny in comparison.

If you don't understand that a torque converter generates heat, and why it generates heat, and why some TCs generate more heat than others, then you're a long, long way from understanding how hp is lost in a TC.

 

[Alky V6]

I'd throttle back on the LOLs. It's really not that funny that you don't understand this stuff.

 

[geno]

Now im back to wanting to kick your ass little man with no LOL. You are a classic example of educated beyond your intelligence. The way the power makes its way through the TC has nothing to do with the cooling sytem dumb ass.(And that was my point) That takes place BEFORE the TC and i understand HP is shed in the form of heat and that HP is lost in the TC in the form of heat. You just wanted somebody to sucker in on your question so you can show us how smart you are. Answer me this if your engine is 224 Cubes now and it will be 228 and all it needed was a light hone with the same crank(Like you posted to Cal) were is the other 4 cubes comming from? Did you have to re sleeve your block AGAIN from one of your tunes
Or was it the energy lost in your exhaust that caused you to window 2 stage blocks dumb ass.. You sure have a pile of broken parts for how smart you are...Still want to play smart guy????

 

[Alky V6]

Now im back to wanting to kick your ass little man with no LOL. You are a classic example of educated beyond your intelligence. The way the power makes its way through the TC has nothing to do with the cooling sytem dumb ass.(And that was my point) That takes place BEFORE the TC and i understand HP is shed in the form of heat and that HP is lost in the TC in the form of heat. You just wanted somebody to sucker in on your question so you can show us how smart you are. Answer me this if your engine is 224 Cubes now and it will be 228 and all it needed was a light hone with the same crank(Like you posted to Cal) were is the other 4 cubes commlng from? Did you have to re sleeve your block AGAIN from one of your tunes LOL...
Or was it the energy lost in your exhaust that caused you to window 2 stage blocks dumb ass.. You sure have a pile of broken parts for how smart you are...Still want to play smart guy????

Well. It looks like you're going to want to kick my ass again for being a smart guy.
That post that you are referring to, where I told Cal what the cubes is going to be, go back and quote it for us.

 

[geno]

Bottom line you ran 8.7 with a 91 MM turbo and 400 HP of Nitrous with a Aluminum TA performance block shows how smart you are already..