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Hi everyone,
Im hoping some of you could please help me with my dilema. So over the last couple of days I've installed
Rebuilt TE-34
60lb injectors
Casper's Ultra chip for 60's (have it set at 91 octane setting)
K&N open 9" cone
ATR liquid intercooler set-up
New o2 sensor
Atr check valve (in line with pcv)

I already have installed...
Hot wire
Accufab Afpr
Fuel pressure gauge (set at 42-43lbs vac. off)
Atr GNX style dual exhaust
Scanmaster
Knock & Boost gauges

My issue is that the car is running really rich at idle.

Scanmaster codes are..

Af 06
L8 44
Bat 14.2
Int 100-108
Bl 105
Mph 00
Clt 160
Ats 93
R 800
Tps .42
Iac 19
Cc (all over the place)
Mal 45

Any help or suggestions to get it tuned would be greatly appreciated (im feeling kind of burned out and out of ideas at the moment)

Thanks,
Johnny
 
Code 45 = bad O2 sensor, wrong chip, fuel pressure too high. What is your idle fuel pressure vac line off ? BL's at 105 indicate a rich condition.
 
Code 45 = bad O2 sensor, wrong chip, fuel pressure too high. What is your idle fuel pressure vac line off ? BL's at 105 indicate a rich condition.

I had read code 45 just means a rich idle.. Got it from here.. http://www.gnttype.org/maint/malf.html
Do you feel this info is incorrect? My fuel pressure is right at 42-43psi. I saw the BLs indicated rich but trying to figure out why. Wouldnt think that Casper's chip would be that screwed up... His stock injector Ultra worked great for me. Are you suggesting maybe swapping out the o2 for another brand new one?
 
Change Chips. Look for leaks. Vacuum and exhaust.
Thanks, I will definitely check tomorrow for vacuum leaks.. I checked over everything pretty thoroughly this evening and didnt see any potential leaks like undone or broken lines but like I said Im burned out so I'll give it another good look. Exhaust sounds good all around.. I dont hear even minor leaks anywhere.

What makes the Ultra chip so bad or why wouldnt I be able to get my car correctly tuned with it? Im not understanding.
 
Well, after thinking about it I went ahead and unplugged the ecm for the night to clear the memory. Hopefully that will have a positive result.
 
Well, after thinking about it I went ahead and unplugged the ecm for the night to clear the memory. Hopefully that will have a positive result.
Good approach, I had a Poston chip once and my numbers where all over the place and car ran like crap.Replaced the chip with a TT chip with no other changes and all of my numbers were good and car ran great. Go figure.
 
If he had a vacuum or exhaust leak wouldn't the BLM be a lot higher, like 140-160's. Just asking.

Correct on that... BLMs would go up with umetered air getting into the motor... Was that Caspers chip programmed for the 60# injectors? I would try another chip programmed for 60# as others have sugggested..
 
Correct on that... BLMs would go up with umetered air getting into the motor... Was that Caspers chip programmed for the 60# injectors? I would try another chip programmed for 60# as others have sugggested..
Yes, the chip was programmed for the 60's. I currently don't have another 60# chip to try or no anybody local who does. I really dont want to spend the funds on another if that's possibly not the problem.... Besides even though I dont know the guy personally, I have faith that John (@ Caspers) sold me the correct chip that I ordered. I'm really trying to consider other avenues that's causing me the "rich exhaust, code 45" grief.

Now that Im thinking of it... What would happen at idle if the wastegate puck wasnt closed or sealed all of the way? Is it possible it could cause me this problem? I did install one of those aftermarket copper gaskets between the elbow and turbo. With the not-so-perfect fitment of the stock actuator and the added space used by the copper gasket maybe it could be open a little?? Just thinking...
 
I think a wastegate problem would lead to boost issues like no boost if the puck was open or too much boost if stuck closed. Plus your readings are at idle no boost situation... The reason I ask about the chip is because you are getting tons of fuel in the motor and if the chip was for some reason burned for smaller injectors that would be the culprit... I hear you about not wanting to throw money at it though... Some one on here must have an extra 60# chip you could borrow..
 
Update.. Took out the gasket (turns out it's sealing fine without it),dropped fuel pressure to 40psi line off and purged ecm.. Same code 45. Next up, another new o2 I guess.
 
Where u located? If ur close to me I have a TT chip for 60's you can try.

I thank you very much for the offer but it doesnt look like we are all that close. Im located in Cali, just outside of Sacramento.
 
The reason I ask about the chip is because you are getting tons of fuel in the motor and if the chip was for some reason burned for smaller injectors that would be the culprit...
Im sent a pm to John hoping maybe he could chime in or pm me back to see if he feels that it could possibly be the chip. Btw.. Thanks alot for your help and input on this!
 
Let's try to use some problems solving here...

You BL shows 105, which means it's bottomed-out. The ECM is trying to remove more fuel, but 105 is the lowest it can go (IIRC). Additionally, your INT values are very low (pretty much at the bottom of their range), so the ECM is trying to supply less fuel in the short-term, but it's unable to go any lower. You did say that your O2 sensor was new, and that CC's were "all over the place", so that makes me think that the O2 is functioning correctly. You've checked fuel pressure (are you sure the gauge is OK?), and you are setting it to reasonable values. Based on this, here's a couple of questions...

1. When you are driving the car, especially at cruising condition, what does your BL show? Does it quickly go down to 105 and stay there when you have the cruise control set at a moderate speed (say 55 mph)? What I'm trying to figure out is if your car is running rich all the time, or just at idle.

2. Did the car idle fine with reasonable BL values before you changed chips/injectors?

Based on your answers, here are a couple of thoughts...

A. I've had this happen before when I've played around with burning chips. If the chip is burned for different injectors than you have (by mistake or whatever), this can happen. The chip has to be matched to both the size (60 lb) and type (brand) of injector to get the idle right. There are calibration tables in the chip that must be matched to specific injectors. First, I would call Caspers and verify exactly what injectors the chip is burned for. Second, I would make sure that the injectors are what you think they are by posting the serial numbers off of them. It's possible that somebody burned the wrong software into the chip, mislabeled the chip, or sent you the wrong injectors. Mistakes happen. In any case, never hurts to absolutely confirm what you have. If you can find another chip that is known to be burned for your 60-lb injectors, trying that would be a great way to confirm if you have a problem with either your chip or injectors.

B. I noticed that you have an ATR check valve in your PCV line. I used to have one of those, and last year I found that it had stuck in the closed position. In other words, it was frozen closed, so no air was coming into the intake through the PCV system. Might be worth a shot to remove the valve from your PCV line, confirm that you can blow through it, and maybe run the car without it to see what happens.

C. Is your oxygen sensor a stock replacement, or is it a heated type? The stock unheated oxygen sensor will cool-off when you idle for a long time and eventually stop switching (you will see the "CC" value on the scanmaster stop moving when this happens). The stock chip has software in it to account for this. I'm not sure if Casper's chip does. If you call Casper's, you might ask them about this. It's a bit of a longshot, but worth eliminating.

D. Is your fuel pressure gauge new? How confident are you that it's accurate? Do you have another gauge you can use to verify the first gauge? If your fuel pressure gauge is reading really low, and you're actually jacking pressure to something like 55 psi, this type of thing can happen.

E. Did you mess with or replace your MAF sensor? If it has become mis-calibrated (due to age or whatever), this type of thing can happen.

F. I suppose it's possible that you just got a bad O2 sensor, but I think that's a long shot.

Hopefully something here will help...
 
1. When you are driving the car, especially at cruising condition, what does your BL show? Does it quickly go down to 105 and stay there when you have the cruise control set at a moderate speed (say 55 mph)? What I'm trying to figure out is if your car is running rich all the time, or just at idle.
I've haven't driven the car at any higher cruising speeds... Tops would be right round 35mph and this morning I noticed that the BL stayed right at 128 at all mph.

2. Did the car idle fine with reasonable BL values before you changed chips/injectors?
Yes it did, my BLs were normally around 118-119 I believe

B. I noticed that you have an ATR check valve in your PCV line. I used to have one of those, and last year I found that it had stuck in the closed position. In other words, it was frozen closed, so no air was coming into the intake through the PCV system. Might be worth a shot to remove the valve from your PCV line, confirm that you can blow through it, and maybe run the car without it to see what happens.
I just went out removed the check valve assembly and reinstalled the PCV hose and the car still threw a 45 while somewhat warming up...btw the BLs were at a steady 128. Went ahead and checked the check valve and I can blow through it in one direction only?

C. Is your oxygen sensor a stock replacement, or is it a heated type? The stock unheated oxygen sensor will cool-off when you idle for a long time and eventually stop switching (you will see the "CC" value on the scanmaster stop moving when this happens). The stock chip has software in it to account for this. I'm not sure if Casper's chip does. If you call Casper's, you might ask them about this. It's a bit of a longshot, but worth eliminating.
the o2 is a stock replacement.

D. Is your fuel pressure gauge new? How confident are you that it's accurate? Do you have another gauge you can use to verify the first gauge? If your fuel pressure gauge is reading really low, and you're actually jacking pressure to something like 55 psi, this type of thing can happen.
My gauge is not new. It is an older Kenne Bell hood mounted type.. However I am confident that it is accurate because I also have an Autometer Pro Comp which reads the same.

E. Did you mess with or replace your MAF sensor? If it has become mis-calibrated (due to age or whatever), this type of thing can happen.
I relocated the maf to a mounting bracket which attaches to the factory air box location... It was handled carefully.

Btw... Thanks for your reply and input! I'm really appreciating the help
 
Look for a crack in the drivers side header, between cyls. 3 and 5. This can cause the code that you're seeing - the crack in the header sucks air, the o2 sensor thinks it's lean, and adds fuel, until it can't add any more (BLM 105) then sets the code. Also, a leaking injector can cause the problem.

Try reducing fuel pressure a little at a time and look at the BLM. If it moves from 105, you should double check the fuel pressure gauge.
 
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