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WexysWE4

Traveling WE-4
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I don't get it...I looked for forum rules after it was closed but didn't see anything. Sorry but I'm not going to search and read all the rules just to post simple questions.
I asked a simple question..."would anyone be interested..." I'm not going to sell them on here....I said I would on Ebay and then prb also on the "for sale" section here.
 
.... I'm not going to sell them on here....I said I would on Ebay and then prb also on the "for sale" section here.


Wait, i thought you said you werent gonna sell them on here???

Wanna sell a product on here? Become a supporting vendor. Easy as that.


-Adam
 
I don't get it...I looked for forum rules after it was closed but didn't see anything. Sorry but I'm not going to search and read all the rules just to post simple questions.
I asked a simple question..."would anyone be interested..." I'm not going to sell them on here....I said I would on Ebay and then prb also on the "for sale" section here.

That's why.
 
Just to play Devils Advocate a bit, it looked to me like the guy was just seeing if there was an interest in the product. Personally, I would not pay the ad fee before knowing if I had a market or not. That would just be business stupid in a big way, especially in these times. Not too many people have the cash needed to sponsor a message board to throw out on a chance there MIGHT be an interest.

Personally, on other boards I have seen some nice potential products get canned before they can ever get to possible buyers due to locking down threads like what I saw that one to be.

As far as the thread lock due to a rule violation, here is a quote right from the referenced rule thread:

We have guys selling everything from Air Fresheners, T-Shirts, stickers, downpipes, radiators, rods, pistons, cranks, etc... All under the guise of normal members "just" sharing a hobby with others... Whether you believe it or not these guys make just as much or more money then vendors sometimes for several reasons. Main one that concerns me is selling products on TB without paying advertisement fees!!...

If you see people posting several products, ie multiples of the same type stuff like a vendor would, please contact me or other admin. Same goes for the backdoor PM salesman...


There is the basic rule summarized. The OP wasn't selling anything yet. He was checking to see if he had an interest in a product. IMO, a better way to handle this would have been to post up and tell him something along the lines of "Hey, good idea. I see you're getting a good response so far. If this comes to be and you decide to go forth, you will need to be set up as a vendor in order to move your product on our site." I would think any person looking to sell something would have no problem with that. He could then get the necessary figures any vendor has to have to make sure he it would still be financially worth going forth. If so, set a price with all needed markups and then have fun selling stuff the right way.



Yea, all of the above is a big wall of text. But what it comes down to is everyone has to see if there is an interest in something before you can honestly expect them to pay to advertise it. And how else will they determine said interest if you lock down the area where the bulk of the potential customers are located?


**Disclaimer** All of this is simply MY opinion. It's not intended to offend anyone. I'm just throwing out a potentially better way of handling future items that people might actually want to buy/sell, helping the potential seller, buyer & ultimately the board as well by getting them yet another paying vendor.
 
Symantec's...

Just imagine how many responses, pm's, or emails do you think a person would get if they said I am thinking of making Downpipes for $100 bucks. Here is the first one what do you think? If it looked good how many much response would he get?

Now, we got this whole new thread linking back to the old thread for more publicity...

See the snow ball effect...

Vendors have to pay for this... It is what pays the bills at TB:wink:
 
Symantec's...

Just imagine how many responses, pm's, or emails do you think a person would get if they said I am thinking of making Downpipes for $100 bucks. Here is the first one what do you think? If it looked good how many much response would he get?

Now, we got this whole new thread linking back to the old thread for more publicity...

See the snow ball effect...

Vendors have to pay for this... It is what pays the bills at TB:wink:
I see your point to a degree. However, how many businesses actually start by purchasing advertising prior to market research, price structuring, etc.? I'm going to go out on a limb and say not too many at all.

It's your place, bro. Run it how you want. I'm definitely not trying to step on toes. I was just suggesting a possible way for all to have a win/win, including TB.com (the business). :cool:

And I would honestly figure the money "lost" in scenarios you posed would be far less than money gained by using a method similar to what I threw out there.
 
For a small business, advertising is very expensive, but crutial. Being a business owner for many years, I have spent hundreds of thousands in the past on advertising. Most of it was hit and miss. On this board you have the opportunity to reach thousands of potential buyers in your target demographics. With that in mind, I think TB.com's rates are reasonable. There has to be some restrictions otherwise the board would turn into a flea market. Just my opinion.
 
how many businesses actually start by purchasing advertising prior to market research, price structuring, etc.? I'm going to go out on a limb and say not too many at all.

And I would honestly figure the money "lost" in scenarios you posed would be far less than money gained by using a method similar to what I threw out there.


For a small business, advertising is very expensive, but crutial. Being a business owner for many years, I have spent hundreds of thousands in the past on advertising. Most of it was hit and miss. On this board you have the opportunity to reach thousands of potential buyers in your target demographics. With that in mind, I think TB.com's rates are reasonable. There has to be some restrictions otherwise the board would turn into a flea market. Just my opinion.

Symantec's...

Just imagine how many responses, pm's, or emails do you think a person would get if they said I am thinking of making Downpipes for $100 bucks. Here is the first one what do you think? If it looked good how many much response would he get?


I sorta have to agree with Barron on this one. What I saw was someone fishing for a possible market for a product that he discovered he had the ability to make. He made one, liked it, and thought that maybe someone else would like it. I mean did anyone actually read the thread before commenting here? I know there were a couple of things that he could have done different. He mentioned GNX in his thread title but this was not a GNX part and I'm sure his low post count didn't help but he has one (1) item that he is thinking about trying to manufacture, if you can even use that word. He is talking about a handmade part in which he takes a Buick grill emblem, grinds it down and turns it into a WE4 emblem.

Unlike the downpipes which almost every vendor carries in one form or another is there any vendor that has a WE4 grill emblem? I think Mark Huffman has some etched WE4 interior stuff but I've not seen anything like this since the WE4 website used to carry some stuff. Also unlike a downpipe which could have a market of thousands, the WE4 emblem couldn't have a market of more than 1547 (in reality probably not a fourth of that being that this is a custom part and not an original, stock item) unless alot of GN owners decide they want to start cloning WE4's. These aren't Chinese knock-off headers where he's trying to undercut the established vendors.

If Wexy was thinking of going into an actual business then I'm sure he would be thinking of ads and sponsoring the board but at the small scale that this is, nobody would be able to afford an ad campaign and keep the price reasonable. I'm sure that if he was thinking about becoming a manufacturer for our small market he is thinking twice about it now. We talk about how the vendors are disappearing for our cars but yet shut down one guy who is considering sharing a new product with us before he has even started making it even though there is no known competition for that product.

As far as this board turning into a flea market. Well it already is, to an extent. How many people make decent change off of used parts but aren't paying vendors? Which is cool, because for most of us it allows us to get rid of things we don't need while giving someone else a good deal but how many members always have something for sale here? He said he would put it on e-bay so he would not be competeing with the board's vendors. But he's getting free advertising right? Well, I don't think it is any different than anyone else linking to another site in their signature whether it is Buick related or not.
 
thats bull****. the guy just wanted to make his emblem and sell it to a few members...is he going to get rich on it? NO

does the product exisit? NO
does he have a full line of other one off turbo buick parts avalible to the public?!!?! NO

that sure as **** doesnt sound like a vendor to me. more like a hobbiest who just had a cool idea to share with the community
 
I agree with Barron as well. But......... who am I? What about this thread below ***door escutcheons (inner door trim)
Paul69camaro***
 
If he has such a great product, and does not want to be a paying vendor, then he should hook up with a good, paying, TB vendor like Mark to put it out, and quit trying to cheat the system. :D

Or, all you guys supporting him should donate to a fund so he can afford to be a vendor! ;)
 
then he should hook up with a good, paying, TB vendor like Mark to put it out
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And it is a whole lot easier than dealing with the @#$%>. I mean customers. :biggrin:
 
If he has such a great product, and does not want to be a paying vendor, then he should hook up with a good, paying, TB vendor like Mark to put it out, and quit trying to cheat the system. :D

Or, all you guys supporting him should donate to a fund so he can afford to be a vendor! ;)
LOL! At what point did he say he didn't want to be a paying vendor? I looked and I swear I can't find his posting of that anywhere. Also, please explain how he was "cheating the system". I've missed it every time anyone else has tried to come up with an actual example of said "cheating".

I had already considered discussing hooking him up with someone like Mark or scot w. But since the thread to determine interest was killed before any interest could be determined, well.... That's not working out too well either.

Lastly, I checked into sponsor pricing a little while back when a guy here was about to make some t-shirts. I was looking at being the supporting vendor myself and selling the shirts since I had more face time on the board than the guy actually making them. I sent a PM or two that have yet to actually be answered concerning that subject.
 
Good points all around.... but you might have scared him off. lol
 
Wait, i thought you said you werent gonna sell them on here???

Wanna sell a product on here? Become a supporting vendor. Easy as that.


-Adam

i'm not gonna name names, but there is a guy with a very long thread in the Lounge section that has been hyping new products that he is going to be selling- and giving away a whole bunch of stuff, as well.
i wonder how much business has been drummed up by that particular thread by a non-supporting vendor? how much free advertisement has he gotten?
does he not have to follow the same rules just because he's been making and selling parts for TR's since they were new?
i'd suggest that the guy that wants to sell the GNx badges hook up with that guy and make a mint..
 
i'm not gonna name names, but there is a guy with a very long thread in the Lounge section that has been hyping new products that he is going to be selling- and giving away a whole bunch of stuff, as well.
i wonder how much business has been drummed up by that particular thread by a non-supporting vendor? how much free advertisement has he gotten?
does he not have to follow the same rules just because he's been making and selling parts for TR's since they were new?
i'd suggest that the guy that wants to sell the GNx badges hook up with that guy and make a mint..


Well who is it, no need beating around the bush.
 
Well who is it, no need beating around the bush.
he's a relatively new member, but a name that everyone knows..
just go to the Lounge and click on the thread with the most pages..
i'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, he's a really nice guy and brings a lot to the TR world- and it can be maybe argued that the TR wouldn't have the following it does without him- but i've always wondered how he got to skate past the "no selling unless you are a paying vendor" rule.
 
Hey guys...thanks for the support, and the "lecturing". Look...if I thought that I actually had a "product" that I would be able to make an income with I wouldn't have started with a simple post on here. I would have went the correct route, after all...I am a business manager and have been "wheeling and dealing" since I was 15.
I simply wanted to gain some input to see if there were any WE-4 owners who had the same thoughts as I in making a GNX style badge. I have always wanted to do this and I finally put some creative initiative into making it. I thought "maybe I'll get half a dozen or so interested and make a few bucks" NOT AN INCOME of any sort. Income is continuis right? Selling off some stuff like everyone does on here in the "for sale" section isn't really an income for most of us. It's just getting rid parts to make some money.
I've bought everyone for my Buick here and been a member since around '01 with my older name that I lost (VETKILR). I know a few personally here and made online friends with a few. Never did I want to stir up anything here. I just read posts and learn how to work on my car myself. Sorry guys....But I'm going to the other web forum. Thanks for the support and anyone can PM me about the emblems. I'm looking for a way to make them better, as close to stock apearing as I can.
 
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