Will a distributor fit with stock setup?

[bruce]

Thread is getting off topic a bit BUT I can assure you , with my distributor setup and launch assist "scheme", I can get a PT98 to 20psi in less than 1.5 seconds in neutral or with the clutch pushed in.

Got a datalog?.
When I made a claim, I was expected to prove it, or have my posting considered as being cra-, so let's now all have to maintain this level of being above board, and honest.

That being said, so what makes you think that no other strategy can't do that?

While that might be great for you, IMO, that doesn't mean it can't be done in a better way. While you're just locked in on what they want to give you, I can do basically anything I want, but again, that's not the point. The point was having the aftermarket CATER to what the customer wants, instead of just handing out what's quick, and easy to do. What is so darned frightening about asking the aftermarket for options in boost control, etc., etc., especially when it's just a few lines of code?.

Is having to learn something new, just that scarey?. Or is it the idea of having more then one option?.

 

[bruce]

Cross posted from the Stage II Forum

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So why is the swap to Distributors even a issue when KD is using this?.
Interestingly enough, CD, with CNP is what I mentioned some time ago..

 

[norbs]

Talk about being off topic....Thanks to those who helped me out on what i need to do. I am not reading anymore posts on "code" had about enough.

 

[bruce]

I am not reading anymore posts on "code" had about enough.

What no dead horse image?.

I thought you were already out of here, do you really this pronouncement means much?.

IMO, it really doesn't matter since some others have thought it was interesting, and they learned something.

 

[norbs]

Bruce, did you vote yet, your leading the poll

 

[bruce]

Bruce, did you vote yet, your leading the poll

IMO, popularity games are for High School Home Coming Queens.
It's a sad day when you revert to idiocy instead of intelligent conversation, or discussion.

My car runs fine thank you, all I did was try to open your eyes to see something more then the blantantly obvious, I guess you'd rather just play follow the leader, then actually try to think things thru.

I guess when you have noting to offer, all you can do is sit on the sidelines, and play games.

BTW, did you see any of the fast guys post any logs?. While I get accused of posting c--- they took to the hills when it came to posting any data. Not to mention your *claims*, that were just no more then guesses. Do you have any logs to support your statements?.

Thanks for the laughs...

 

[norbs]

Oh, i will have numbers for you, in the spring, not junking the dis totally. Sometimes its easier to follow the crowd, takes the guesswork out of what works and what doesn't. The whole purpose of this thread was to see what people thought of using a distributor to help in some issues of the DIS. However, it turned into spool up wars and ecm code vs the aftermarkets. People with very fast cars have helped with there feedback. It might be better to continue with your posts in the "chip" section as this thread is to untechnical for you. I'm sure you will read about 8 sec cars on the stock dis and ecm in the other threads..

 

[bruce]

Oh, i will have numbers for you, in the spring, not junking the dis totally. Sometimes its easier to follow the crowd, takes the guesswork out of what works and what doesn't. The whole purpose of this thread was to see what people thought of using a distributor to help in some issues of the DIS. However, it turned into spool up wars and ecm code vs the aftermarkets. People with very fast cars have helped with there feedback. It might be better to continue with your posts in the "chip" section as this thread is to untechnical for you. I'm sure you will read about 8 sec cars on the stock dis and ecm in the other threads..

Before you get too wound up on how right you are, try rereading your postings. You brought up the EST issue, and I answered that for you, as well as others.

So now your running 8s?. I guess I missed the threads where you were sneeking up on that currently. Glad you picked 8 since the stock DIS has been in the 9s. Oh wait, have you been in the 9s yet?. Thanks for bringing ETs into this.

BTW, try looking at who brought what issues up, and who was just replying.

While playing follow is an easy way to get somewhere, you wind up bypassing understanding what the exact issues are, and some times that can leave you wondering just what the heck happened when a problem accures. And often playing second loser, it's the leaders, and creative folks that most often take the checkers. There's no real short cuts. Power wins, HP, is only one of the powers that can be brought to bear. Knowing engine theory, chassis dynamics, code, etc., etc., will ALWAYS pay off. While maybe this thread didn't go the way you wanted, there are others you can whine about polluting *your* thread. BTW, I thought the purpose of these boards was sharing?.

Again, I'm not in the least worried the results of your High School Home Coming Queen game. If it was 1,000:1, it wouldn't phase me, maybe you ought to look at what a cheesy idea that was, IMO, you just embassessed yourself, and those that voted. BTW, remember the *Fast with Class* motto?, it seems you and a others have taken to infering people's work is c---- rather then saying thank you for sharing.

It will be interesting to see in the long term what the **NEW AND IMPROVED* ecms and codes in the future have. I'll save my last laughs for that....

 

[EightSecV6]

. Glad you picked 8 since the stock DIS has been in the 9s. Oh wait, have you been in the 9s yet?. .

I ran 8.20s 10 years ago with a TOTALLY STOCK DIS and no "codes" with that dinosaur DFI you mentioned earlier! LOL!

 

[bruce]

I ran 8.20s 10 years ago with a TOTALLY STOCK DIS and no "codes" with that dinosaur DFI you mentioned earlier! LOL!

OK, and so what?. You only helped to prove at what level, a DIS will survive at.

Got a link for where I called it a dinosaur?. If your going to start making things up, it'll only reflect on your other claims. Now, if you want to keep things a bit more civil, fine, if not, well we can both play the game YOU want to play.

Would you care to bet that the next generations of aftermarkets get more complex?.

It's amazing how disoriented some of you folks are, I tried to answer questions, and spur thought, and I wind up being a *bad guy*.

BTW, do you have any datalogs (in a postable format) to share of your claims?. You wanted to chime in on this, now let's see you support your claims.

 

[V6RACER]

Norbs I have pics of what you have to do to the distributor to make it work if you decide to go that route.

 

[turbobuick]

IMO, popularity games are for High School Home Coming Queens.
It's a sad day when you revert to idiocy instead of intelligent conversation, or discussion.

My car runs fine thank you, all I did was try to open your eyes to see something more then the blantantly obvious, I guess you'd rather just play follow the leader, then actually try to think things thru.

I guess when you have noting to offer, all you can do is sit on the sidelines, and play games.

Thanks for the laughs...

Bruce, I know this question is beneath you but your not really Stewie in disguise as a Buick nut plotting the end of the world?

 

[EightSecV6]

OK, and so what?. You only helped to prove at what level, a DIS will survive at.

Got a link for where I called it a dinosaur?. If your going to start making things up, it'll only reflect on your other claims. Now, if you want to keep things a bit more civil, fine, if not, well we can both play the game YOU want to play.

Would you care to bet that the next generations of aftermarkets get more complex?.

It's amazing how disoriented some of you folks are, I tried to answer questions, and spur thought, and I wind up being a *bad guy*.

BTW, do you have any datalogs (in a postable format) to share of your claims?. You wanted to chime in on this, now let's see you support your claims.

Bruce, what is wrong with you?You mentioned DFI earlier....I CALLED IT A DINOSAUR and the stock ECU is a dinosaur too!What game am I playing?
I certainly never called you a bad guy.You made the comment that the DIS has been in the 9's I responded that I went 8s with it (so have a host of others).
What claims am I making that I need to provide a datalog for? I'm not selling anything, I have no idea what you are talking about!

 

[bruce]

Bruce, I know this question is beneath you but your not really Stewie in disguise as a Buick nut plotting the end of the world?

So when you can't contribute, you just try and hijack the thread, Thanks.

 

[bruce]

Bruce, what is wrong with you?You mentioned DFI earlier....I CALLED IT A DINOSAUR and the stock ECU is a dinosaur too!What game am I playing?
I certainly never called you a bad guy.You made the comment that the DIS has been in the 9's I responded that I went 8s with it (so have a host of others).
What claims am I making that I need to provide a datalog for? I'm not selling anything, I have no idea what you are talking about!

My bad on the dino comment.

At this point, please ignore any more of the post, Norbs.

The stock ecm is just as current as capable as any of the aftermarkets other then the PnH drivers. It's the code that determines how well an ecm works. From what I've seen, my launch control is much more tunable then any of the aftermarkets, and it runs just fine in the stock ecm. BTW, care to see any of the *spool mode tables*, for those that like to do SCCA racing, and need the ability to have the turbo fully spooled for *say* being able to *launch out of the apex*?.
Once you get past the advertising hype, alot of the claims made are just rhetoric. Faster pocessing?, ya that's an issue of you during real time injector PW updates, but so far, I haven't heard any of the aftermarkets offering that. The stocker, and it's code are alot more well thought out then people are willing to give it credit for.

BTW, since you brought it up earlier, about being able to adjust you injector timing since going with a distributor. Here's how I do it, in my dino ecm. It's a 2D table and under various conditions I can tune when the injector's fire. Does that state of the art of your's allow for that?.

;*=======================
; Injector Angle
;*=======================
KINJAGL FCB 16 ;
FCB 32 ;
FCB 7 ;
; MAP...W W W W W W W ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;
FCB....250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250, 250 ;

Obviously, I stepped on some of it, so as to not give away the hours of work I have it. Not bad for a $50, 20 year old ecm, IMO......

As far as the *game*, while you want to run a manual tranny, fine, but to drop into a thread with your concerns about what's basically a one-of, it's hardly related, to what a vast majority of people are going to be interested in. Not to mention the idea my treating my 70K mile engine like you're race engine. Using your ability to fund fielding a race car against a streeter, is hardly asking for a fair comparison. FWIW, I have every confidence that it would work with just a simple tightening up of the controls (remember in the log I did post, I was only using the timing control, and not the progressice injector drop strategy), I just don't have enough of an ego problem to want to risk ruining what's been a good engine just to prove a point. However, if you want to cover the costs of conducting and experiment that you've suggested let me know.

And after some thought the EST line interupt is hardly much of an issue anyway. All it takes is interupting the signal post ignition module, instead of pre module. All it really boils down to is 3 transistors, a few discrete components, and some code to activate an additional output.

 

[Otto J]

with code is there the abilty to change fueling and timing for each individual cylinder?
I commend you on your abilty to make a stock ecm do waht you have,but we are not all geniuses with ECM code, so we have to look to a source that makes it easier for us layman to understand and tune on the fly for ease of tuning

 

[V6 Beast]

It's a 2D table and under various conditions I can tune when the injector's fire. Does that state of the art of your's allow for that?.

Of Course!

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01001000000110001001110101011101000010000001111001011
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[bruce]

with code is there the abilty to change fueling and timing for each individual cylinder?
I commend you on your abilty to make a stock ecm do waht you have,but we are not all geniuses with ECM code, so we have to look to a source that makes it easier for us layman to understand and tune on the fly for ease of tuning

As well as individual cylinder timing, in a stock type ecm. But, how many people really have the resources to fully optimise them anyway?. Having the ability to do both is one thing, but having the true ability to optimise them is another. IMO, the analysing software to do that would be slick but probably take an ecm of it's own to fully analyse and compute, things accurately.

There's no need to be, I'm just pointing out, what you should be expecting, and asking for, rather then just playing the game of waiting for the next generation of new and improved. As long as people settle for what handed to them there's little need for the aftermarket to really try to generate the best possible ecm.

What's so hard about the perimeters I listed for the launch mode?, what's so hard about the injector firing table?.

On the fly?, if you're talking about the stocker, that been available for years now.

This talk about the stocker is all rather mute, I only mentioned it as a point of reference, and is what I'm using, IMO, the concentration of what benefit this all can be, is in reference to what the aftermarket ecms can be doing.

 

[turbobuick]

So when you can't contribute, you just try and hijack the thread, Thanks.

You got balls

Here is the thread topic in case you forgot:

Will a distributor fit with stock setup?

Let me guess you can get it to fit with your vastly superior knowledge of GM code. AAAHHH I see the light, thanks Bruce.

 

[turbobuick]

My bad on the dino comment.

BTW, since you brought it up earlier, about being able to adjust you injector timing since going with a distributor. Here's how I do it, in my dino ecm. It's a 2D table and under various conditions I can tune when the injector's fire. Does that state of the art of your's allow for that?.

BTW the Gen 7 allows you to adjust injector timing. We just changed mine to help with spoolup adn it worked quite well. Better yet I even understand what I'm looking at when I go in to adjust it, unlike the dribble you posted :biggrin: