eightsecv6/bill anderson misrepresents vehicle on ebay then leaves me bad feedback

[BlackMetal]

The buyer should not have even had to inspect the vehicle during pick-up. The seller's description is what counts. The transaction took place on eBay, not in the garage. The arguement that he "shook hands and drove away" does nothing to explain why a clearly rusted vehicle was listed as "rust free".

Also, retaliatory feedback is not allowed on eBay. You cannot leave negative feedback as "revenge" for someone leaving it for you. Feedback is based on transaction only. Leaving a negative about the quality of an item: valid. Leaving negative in regards to the tow/impound situation: invalid. If he paid for the item in a timely fashion and came to pick it up, there's no reason for a negative.

 

[jdpolzin]

I represented the vehicle to the best of my ability, the buyer agreed with the condition when he personally inspected it and drove it away, if he did not I surely wish he would have said something at that time but he did not. I took the truck in trade and it did not show any signs of repaint, vibrate etc when I drove it, I would have not listed it as I did if I thought any of this were not the truth.
I offered a refund, what else is there to say?????????

Unfortunately Ebay is a contract when something is sold, the buyer is legally responsible to purchase the advertised product, if the buyer declines, the seller can legally file a lawsuit against him or her. Although, there are some purchasers that have declined a vehicle after inspecting it and the seller has not filed suite. Just simply leaves negative feedback. I personally dont know what I would have done after flying out to purchase a vehicle with intentions of driving it home and upon inspection deciding it wasnt what was advertised. Then, having no way to get back home would be the pits. I have sold vehicles on Ebay and for the protection and comfort written in the ad "the buyer has the right to decline the vehicle if he feels it was inaccurately represented by my description." this clears all legal issues between buyer and seller and makes the sale more as a classified than a legal auction. Gives comfort to the buyer as well! Just an idea for next time.:smile:

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Quick6- Yes, it was supposed to have original paint except for the hood (which was horrible). Bumper was repainted along with the grille and drivers front fender. There is primer overspray on the drivers door from the fender repaint. There are many more things I could point out that were misrepresented but the big one for me is I wanted a rust-free body to start my project. I honestly wouldn't have cared if the engine blew up as I pulled in the driveway as long as the body had no rust. "ABSOLUTELY rust free" means just that to me. Nothing else.

I am agreeing with you 100% here, i think if your buying something far enough away, buying something from somebody that has a great reputation in a community is a little easier because you take their words/description as the truth.

Getting a refund and losing 2000.00 isnt the answer, i dont know what is at this point.

The truck was not as described, has rust, been repainted, and youve been given the shaft... Now all you can do is ask for a R/Around :redface:

I will never buy a car from the north again, no matter what, too much rust.

Some people from up north would think the doors look pretty good considering the door isnt rotted completely thru, here in kansas that is horrible and should look factory fresh.

BW

 

[INTMD8]

Turbo6Chicago- Thank you, and I agree. The vehicle was purchased based on the description. Since that description was wrong I'm on the losing end no matter what. And yes, it was retaliatory feedback, I did nothing to wrong him and only made this post once I saw he left me that feedback.

jdpolzin- I'll remember that in the future. I had no game plan for if things went wrong because I was honestly expecting to recieve what was described.

Quick6'n'-K.C.- Thanks. There's really nothing he could do to make things right at this point. I would accept a partial refund and a mutual removal of negative feedback but I doubt that would happen and I still have to fix this thing and sell it.

I live in the rust belt but have still owned many vehicles 30+ years old with absolutely spotless rust free bodys. I will accept nothing less. (basically saying that if I describe a car as rust free that's exactly what you'll get regardless of where I live)

I could see if it was just some very minor rust but something this extensive after being described as "ABSOLUTELY no rust" from someone that knows about these trucks is just unacceptable.

 

[craggar]

Turbo6Chicago- Thank you, and I agree. The vehicle was purchased based on the description. Since that description was wrong I'm on the losing end no matter what. And yes, it was retaliatory feedback, I did nothing to wrong him and only made this post once I saw he left me that feedback.

jdpolzin- I'll remember that in the future. I had no game plan for if things went wrong because I was honestly expecting to recieve what was described.

Quick6'n'-K.C.- Thanks. There's really nothing he could do to make things right at this point. I would accept a partial refund and a mutual removal of negative feedback but I doubt that would happen and I still have to fix this thing and sell it.

I live in the rust belt but have still owned many vehicles 30+ years old with absolutely spotless rust free bodys. I will accept nothing less. (basically saying that if I describe a car as rust free that's exactly what you'll get regardless of where I live)

I could see if it was just some very minor rust but something this extensive after being described as "ABSOLUTELY no rust" from someone that knows about these trucks is just unacceptable.

The way I see it you got screwed and it sounds like he knew it was not as he listed it. I hate Ebay's feedback system as well. Hope you can recoupe your money when you go to sell it.

 

[stevemon]

Wow. I can't believe this response. Bill must be a buddy of yours?
Granted, there are 3 sides to a story: mine, yours, and the truth. But if even half of what he says is true, he got fubar'd.

Did you note that my post was prior to his posting the pictures? That made a huge difference in my opinion of who I think got the better end of this deal.
Bottom line is that these are two players who got into a deal in possibly the worst arena to make a deal at and one came away thinking he's going to make good money on a used truck and the other prolly got low doller on his sale.
Buying a vehicle on Ebay in order to turn it for profit is playing a high risk game IMO. Sorry it turned bad for the buyer but that's the risk with Ebay.
Note that the person who won the auction never said he wanted a refund.
Also note that the buyer was anxious to accept the truck and that he never inspected it on receipt.
As for my being friends with Bill, not hardly. Never emailed or talked to the man. I respect his accomplishments but over the years I've learned that I'm better off in not dealing with players. They do this stuff for a living where I'm just a small potato guy to them.

 

[INTMD8]

FWIW, I've stated that I was buying the truck for a personal project not to flip for profit. If Bill wants to give me what I have into it at this point (truck+transport) he can pick it up at his convinience.

 

[stevemon]

Seems lke another person here did make you that offer.

 

[SGRIM]

This needs to be moved to the feedback forum...

My 2 cent is, if you flew out and looked at it then finished paying for it then drove off in it you can't blame the seller....

I have bought MANY MANY cars sight unseen. If you had the thing shipped to you and never saw it and had already paid for it in full, I would have to agree with you.... However if you personally inspected the vehicle before taking possession it was yours at that point. If you saw all the things wrong why did you still take possesion?

He offered you your money back, minus his expense for what happened after the sale.

I am a car dealer and have taken back cars from customers before, I am a straight up dealer. I would never pay them for any work they had done to the vehicle though after they left with it. I offer a warranty on 95% of my cars, if they bring it back for a warranty related item I refund there money for the purchase, not additional expenses.

Did Bill give you a warranty or was it as is?

I have been shafted before, never got any money back offered to me

 

[Dwayne]

I'm adding a name to the "never to buy from" list.........sorry you got screwed on your "rust free" vechicle.

 

[SGRIM]

FWIW, I've stated that I was buying the truck for a personal project not to flip for profit. If Bill wants to give me what I have into it at this point (truck+transport) he can pick it up at his convinience.

I am just curious as to why you had the truck shipped if you weren't happy with it? Did you ask for your money back before you left the state? Just asking????

 

[INTMD8]

I am just curious as to why you had the truck shipped if you weren't happy with it? Did you ask for your money back before you left the state? Just asking????

If you read the thread everything has been covered in great detail. Bottom line is he lied about the condition and I would have been screwed out of money whether or not I took posession of the vehicle.

SGRIM- who said anything about a warranty? The issue is a false description of the vehicle. Unless you're suggesting that rust occured from the trip between baltimore and round lake.

 

[EightSecV6]

FWIW, I've stated that I was buying the truck for a personal project not to flip for profit. If Bill wants to give me what I have into it at this point (truck+transport) he can pick it up at his convinience.

I offered you your money back MINUS the $500 that I paid Will's Towing to transport you and your buddy all over town AND get a dealer tag for you so the vehicle could be removed from the impound lot (otherwise you would have had to go home and register it in your nae to get it) You tied him up for nearly 7 hours and gave him $95.
I described the truck to the best of my ability, there are no rust holes or bubbles on the exterior around the cladding or the tailgate where it is common just like the auction states,we walked around the truck together!!!You inspected the truck and drove it away where are these transport fees coming from that you are entitled to?

 

[INTMD8]

Bill, why would I accept your offer? I am only selling the vehicle because you were dishonest about the description. Now I should lose $2,000 over the deal?

I asked your friend if I owed him anything other than the fuel and thanked him for his help. He said I did not so if there was any other debt to be owed for his help I was not made aware of it. I"ll also remind you AGAIN that while the truck was towed for no registration is was not released from impound because of the mismatched paperwork. You should consider yourself lucky they released the vehicle instead of deciding to investigate why you are selling cars that aren't registered in your name.

Like I said before, the only reason this post was made is because you left me negative feedback on ebay which I did not deserve. Did I get the title straightened out? Yes. Will I be able to fix the truck and sell it for what I have into it? Likely yes.

But the point of this post was to inform people of what kind of guy they are dealing with. You lied about the description of the truck and then left me bad feedback for no reason at all. Now you are here trying to justify your actions after blatantly lying about the truck and never informing me of the situation with the title.

I don't think you're really helping yourself. If I were a prospective customer of your shop I wouldn't put must trust in you after reading your posts.

 

[SGRIM]

If you read the thread everything has been covered in great detail. Bottom line is he lied about the condition and I would have been screwed out of money whether or not I took posession of the vehicle.

SGRIM- who said anything about a warranty? The issue is a false description of the vehicle. Unless you're suggesting that rust occured from the trip between baltimore and round lake.

No you made my point, there was no warranty. You took posession of the vehicle and drove it away. Just pointing out that is business.

He offered you your money back. You drove the car away, if you would have had it shipped to you from the beginning I would agree with you 100%. You have to take some responsibilty for taking possesion of it if you inspected it before you left....

Bill has always been straight with me, and has a great following on this board.

 

[Just a Six??]

No you made my point, there was no warranty. You took posession of the vehicle and drove it away. Just pointing out that is business.

He offered you your money back. You drove the car away, if you would have had it shipped to you from the beginning I would agree with you 100%. You have to take some responsibilty for taking possesion of it if you inspected it before you left....

Bill has always been straight with me, and has a great following on this board.

I agree with every statement but I truly wonder if Bill (being a car guy) didnt have any clue?? about the rust??? Seems like both parties are at fault to me.
Call it a day & move on. Chalk it up to experience!

 

[INTMD8]

No you made my point, there was no warranty. You took posession of the vehicle and drove it away. Just pointing out that is business.

He offered you your money back. You drove the car away, if you would have had it shipped to you from the beginning I would agree with you 100%. You have to take some responsibilty for taking possesion of it if you inspected it before you left....

Bill has always been straight with me, and has a great following on this board.

You're completely missing the point. Even if I didn't take posession of the vehicle I would have lost an entire weekend, 4 plane tickets (I flew a friend out with me) 2 cab rides, then have to hope I got a refund and didn't get sued for not taking posession of the vehicle.

He offered my money back minus 500. Including transport that means I lose $2,000 because he lied about the condition of the vehicle.

It's apparent that bill has been great with you and has a good following on the board but you can't argue with the facts. Read the ebay ad then look at the pictures. If you can't find the inaccuracies there I don't know what else to say.

 

[Mark E.]

Did you miss this post?

You should have checked it out better.

End of story.

Mark E.

Well if you didnt like the condition of the truck, you could of said no deal? Thats what i did after buying a GN off Ebay in MD, i drove over night to drive it home, gut said it was in perfect shape. Got there, the car was taping, and smoking, and the paint look good on pic but in person they had painted over the rubber on the windows. Anyway, theres no need to keep bickering, you got the truck, and Its over once you drive off. I told the guy i didnt want the car, and i got my money back, i never move the car. If you want i will buy it for what you got in it if its got the orginal eng, and trans.

 

[INTMD8]

Did you miss this post?

You should have checked it out better.

End of story.

Mark E.

Mark E I've been over this. Lets say I check it out and see the rust at Bills shop. You're saying at that point I get a full refund plus reimbursement for my travel costs?

He lied about the condition of the truck. END OF STORY.

 

[turbobuick]

You're completely missing the point. Even if I didn't take posession of the vehicle I would have lost an entire weekend, 4 plane tickets (I flew a friend out with me) 2 cab rides, then have to hope I got a refund and didn't get sued for not taking posession of the vehicle.

He offered my money back minus 500. Including transport that means I lose $2,000 because he lied about the condition of the vehicle.

It's apparent that bill has been great with you and has a good following on the board but you can't argue with the facts. Read the ebay ad then look at the pictures. If you can't find the inaccuracies there I don't know what else to say.

Nobody is missing your point. Whether or not Bill lied trough his teeth about the truck and its condition is irrelevant at this point YOU STILL INSPECTED IT AND PAID FULL PRICE FOR IT. If you had taken the time to point out inaccuracies or problems with the truck I'm sure Bill would've made an attempt to make it right so I don't see how this should fall back on him at this point.

The guy gets you out of a pinch and you get up here spouting off how he ripped you off when in reality you were just to stupid too see or do anything when you had the chance BEFORE YOU PAID FOR THE TRUCK AND DROVE AWAY.

You are not the only who has purchased a vehicle and have it not be 100% of what you expected. In the 100's I've owned I would say that is true for 90% of them. Get over it, move on, you had the chance to re-negotiated the deal or pass on the truck when you where there, not now.

You have to be nuts to think he should pay you shipping and transportation costs? IF the truck was THAT bad of a deal you should take his offer and run.