Give it all away Pres. Bush

[bishir]

Randy, the problem isn't hard workers like yourself, but I'm sure you know someone in your plant that is working the system to make huge bucks for little work involved. I've been inside the GM Truck assymbley plant near Fort Wayne, the Chyrsler one in Kokomo, IN, and the Suburu one in Lafayette, IN and there was a mix of jobs. I have relatives working at two of those plants and as trust me they don't anything as hard as what a metal finisher does. (Hats off to you BTW) They rake in big money comparied with what they do. There are trade offs with one of them being common lay offs, but I'm sure you're aware at how lucrative the UAW contract is when that happens. As far as teachers making 25k, that is what I made last year and the salaries in some of the southern states are a joke. Fortunally, I moved here for my wife's job and not mine. Anyways, the tread isn't about education, or me griping about the pay even though I knew I wouldn't be rich teaching. It's about immigration and the loss of American jobs. I'm afraid that if we don't do something soon about it were in for a real depression. Not like last time, but a great depression. One that if happens will hopefully change our attitudes for many generations to come.

 

[badboy86gn2]

Well im glad that many board members stick to the facts instead of racial bashing


Im one to say im MEXICAN AMERICAN(born here with mexican back ground) and i do agree that the people that come across the boarders do need to be taxed and learn our rules

as for jobs i feel they (illgels) take the jobs the average american wont(ive seen it )

I can honstley say that the business oweners are making a killing doing this (pay cheaper, make more) ive seen it

I run into burning buildings or save lives through ems and i dont care who they are or what color they are i do my job

i was once told that here in Albuquerque our fire department had something like %85 hispanics and %15 other only becuase NO ONE wanted to do the job for the pay BUT soon later the pay increased and the hours EVERYONE wants to be one and the department had to hire more and more others

the way i think is PEOPLE in general are getting more greedy and demand more but pay less and thats why theres these jobs that no one wants

 

[Randy Greenoe]

Originally posted by bishir
Randy, the problem isn't hard workers like yourself, but I'm sure you know someone in your plant that is working the system to make huge bucks for little work involved. I've been inside the GM Truck assymbley plant near Fort Wayne, the Chyrsler one in Kokomo, IN, and the Suburu one in Lafayette, IN and there was a mix of jobs. I have relatives working at two of those plants and as trust me they don't anything as hard as what a metal finisher does. (Hats off to you BTW) They rake in big money comparied with what they do. There are trade offs with one of them being common lay offs, but I'm sure you're aware at how lucrative the UAW contract is when that happens. As far as teachers making 25k, that is what I made last year and the salaries in some of the southern states are a joke. Fortunally, I moved here for my wife's job and not mine. Anyways, the tread isn't about education, or me griping about the pay even though I knew I wouldn't be rich teaching. It's about immigration and the loss of American jobs. I'm afraid that if we don't do something soon about it were in for a real depression. Not like last time, but a great depression. One that if happens will hopefully change our attitudes for many generations to come.

You sir I agree with 100%

 

[rev. 3:11]

Originally posted by Pronto
Graduated 1st from West Point, Rhoads Scholar, Wounded 4 times, Silver Star, Commanding General at Fort Hood, Commanding General in Panama, Supreme Allied Commander of Europe.
Have you ever commanded troops?

Don't know what happened to him, but he has turned his back on his fellow soldiers. He sings the praises of Clinton on MTV the other night; something to the effect that he voted for Clinton because he was the smartest, bestest thing since the beginning of time and he has voted democrat ever since! What kind of turncoat punk would ever support Clinton? He has become a disgrace to all who have worn a uniform, Clarke takes the cake; he's a Hitler wannabe. As for the ILLEGALS don't blame the "greedy businessmen" wh force them to come here... they couldn't be hired if they weren't invading our borders to begin with. My friend and her family came here legally and have been waiting for 15 YEARS to gain ctizenship. They are Hispanic, speak English fluently, all have college degrees, (one is a college dean) and all they get is the run around. We should encourage the best and brightest, not the cast-offs and peasants. Bottom line ; what kind of message are qwe sending? If your break the law ad get away with it long enough, you WIN! Just my 0.02
Semper Fi

 

[Pronto]

What kind of turncoat punk would ever support Clinton?
The majority of the voters, twice.

 

[TurboJunky]

Question: How do we deal with Illegals coming into the country?

Answer: SEAL THE BORDERS WITH THE US MILITARY!! This is a national security issue.

M-16s or .50 cals pointed south would be quite a deterrent. Maybe then they'd think twice about breaking our laws and instead emigrate to this country LEGALLY like my grandparents did.

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by Pronto
What kind of turncoat punk would ever support Clinton?
The majority of the voters, twice.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Clinton NEVER got a majority of the vote in either 1992 or 1996. He got like 43% in '92, and like 48% in '96. In fact, the last President to get a majority vote was George HW Bush in 1988. I believe (but could be wrong) that this is the longest stretch in our history that no one has gotten a majority. Oh well, we'll see what happens in November.

 

[NoNos38]

I dont mind the ones who come over here that work..

And, yes the mexicans are taking alot of the jobs us contractors

have but, why not... The ones that work for me

work hard, dont call in sick all the time, dont complain because

they have to work afew saturdays a month I could go on and

on.... I have had plenty of other guys that think they are worth

$100,000 a year, show up late, smoke dope, and drink beer on

there 2hour lunch breaks, act like friday is the weekend ,so on

and so on... Some of my most skilled workers are mexicans,

and it dosent bother me one bit...



Matt

 

[Red Regal T]

This is all turned around. The US is being used. It's really Mexico's job to take care of, and provide jobs for their own people. Mexico wants none of it. They just want to put it all on the US, and be rewarded with billions of American dollars flowing into Mexico. I heard on Fox today that the illegals cause the US a $20 billion net loss per year. They don't even want to extradite murderers who flee to Mexico, back to us. They're not behind us in the war. What kind of "friend" are they. With friends like Mexico, who needs enemies.

It's a shame for those poor people but it's not the US responsibility to take them in or take care of them. There's plenty of money in Mexico and if the the greedy and corrupt didn't want to hog it all, there'd be a hell of a lot less people sneaking in here. I'd like the military on the border and then a wholesale deportation of all the illegals, from whatever country they came from. They wouldn't be missed.

On Wesley........he sure seems to have the credentials but the guy talks out both sides of his mouth, is a political opportunist, and consequently, an A$$HOLE.

 

[badboy86gn2]

Is it just mexicans that migrate to US??

I thought there were others

asians
cubans
purto ricans
canadians
middle east
jews

yes some europeans

hmmm

heaven forbid if we were taking the high tech jobs

Johnny Montoya

 

[iamjeff]

here is a lilltle news flash...i know this may be shocking, but bush doesnt write the bills, he just signs them. and he doesnt elect the congressman who write the bills either, we do. problem is, everyone hates congres, but at the same time, they like their congressman. doesnt make a lot of sense. do you know how hard it is for a incumbant congressman to not win the next election? pretty damn hard.

yeah...we havent improved living conditions for anyone isince the 1850s.... maybe you should open up a history book. a lot has happened. there was this big civil war thing that helped free a few black people, and then this thing about suffrage... just to name 2 big ones.

considering that the military is not designed as a police force, it would probably be an extremely bad idea to use them to defend a border that is not being attacked. the military is mostly designed to capture and control if my understanding is correct. i could be wrong on this point as i dont have any military training. i know tht it would probably be hard to guard the thousands of miles of borders that the US has. im pretty sure that the canada/US border is the longest in the world

i also think that NAFTA was a pretty bad idea.

i dont know about ya'll, but i think it would be nice if the US actually had some kind of industry. sure, maybe it can be produced cheaper in another country, but some jobs would be nice too.

thats just what i think, and it may be all wrong as i am definitely not an expert in any of these areas.

-jeff

 

[Buick From Hell]

Gee, this whole thread reminds me of most of the vendor-bashing threads we get, where lotsa folks have something bad to say about a vendor they've never even dealt with!

So I'm curious--I wonder how many people here have ever been personally or directly inconvenienced by, or because of, an illegal alien? I've met several who did farm work, but they were never any "burden" to me...and why should I care if they speak spanish? (But I must confess, I have an 'edge' here, since I grew up next door to two Mexican families [and by the way, "Mexican" was perfectly fine with them!])

And to my friends suggesting we militarize the border, c'mon guys!! ...we dropped a bazillion bombs on Baghdad during "shock & yawn", and most of the locals went on with their daily lives like it was nothing more than a summer thunderstorm!

Seems to me this whole deal is a "we can't beat 'em, we might as well join 'em" thing...so why not? If we CAN'T keep 'em out, make 'em pay taxes! So while we're busy legalizing things we can't control, why not throw a little pot on the table while we're at it??

 

[TurboTer]

Originally posted by Buick From Hell
Gee, this whole thread reminds me of most of the vendor-bashing threads we get, where lotsa folks have something bad to say about a vendor they've never even dealt with!

So I'm curious--I wonder how many people here have ever been personally or directly inconvenienced by, or because of, an illegal alien? I've met several who did farm work, but they were never any "burden" to me...and why should I care if they speak spanish? (But I must confess, I have an 'edge' here, since I grew up next door to two Mexican families [and by the way, "Mexican" was perfectly fine with them!])

And to my friends suggesting we militarize the border, c'mon guys!! ...we dropped a bazillion bombs on Baghdad during "shock & yawn", and most of the locals went on with their daily lives like it was nothing more than a summer thunderstorm!

Seems to me this whole deal is a "we can't beat 'em, we might as well join 'em" thing...so why not? If we CAN'T keep 'em out, make 'em pay taxes! So while we're busy legalizing things we can't control, why not throw a little pot on the table while we're at it??

Oh my God, I can't believe I'm hearing this. I've personally been inconvenienced by having them around because they are not like me and I don't like them. In fact, I hate all illegals, especially those who have the nerve to not speak our language. What's even worse? Those who know English, but speak Spanish amongst their friends. There are just too many of them. Personally, I want an America that looks like America, not some third world nation.

We can keep them from coming in, we just choose to look the other way. Creating a huge all with watchtowers of border guards with shoot-to-kill orders would greatly curb the problem before the next step (land mines) is required.

 

[Red Regal T]

Originally posted by iamjeff

considering that the military is not designed as a police force, it would probably be an extremely bad idea to use them to defend a border that is not being attacked. the military is mostly designed to capture and control if my understanding is correct. i could be wrong on this point as i dont have any military training. i know tht it would probably be hard to guard the thousands of miles of borders that the US has. im pretty sure that the canada/US border is the longest in the world



-jeff

Do you really believe this? US military can't defend borders? This is right up there with sadaam wasn't a terrorist. Who is watching the border between North and South Korea? 40,000 American troops. (bring them home!) I think we guarded the border between East and West Germany for a while.....like 40 years. It's just OK to defend other country's borders and not our own.

10,000 individuals, or however many are needed, patrolling the US borders is better than 300 border patrol agents. We are not at war with the illegals.......just want to turn them around.

 

[BobbyBuick]

The reallity is you can Not get American workers to do the jobs.I say do away with welfare and force people to have to work or starve and then if you cant get it done .let em in.Im tired of paying for the lazy Jerry Springer watchin bastards!

 

[Rick]

"The reallity is you can Not get American workers to do the jobs.I say do away with welfare and force people to have to work or starve and then if you cant get it done .let em in.Im tired of paying for the lazy Jerry Springer watchin bastards!"


Thanks a lot Bobby! Now I have to clean the coffee off of my desk and screen!!!

 

[iamjeff]

here is the difference with the korea border, and germany border... there was a war going on. there was this big wall thing in germany, and korea is the most heavily defended border in the world. there are fences and landmines and stuff like that. last i checked we havent had a war with mexico for quite a long time. we cant simply shoot anyone who tries to cross the border.

i didnt say they couldnt defend borders, i said the arent designed as a police force. sure, they could shoot the crap out of anyone who attempted to come over here, but the couldnt effectivley police the borders; IN MY OPINION.

-jeff

 

[Buick From Hell]

Originally posted by TurboTer
Oh my God, I can't believe I'm hearing this. I've personally been inconvenienced by having them around because they are not like me and I don't like them. In fact, I hate all illegals,

You've been personally incovenienced because you don't like them?? Geez, my friend, what a narrow mind to have to go thru life with! It might interest some folks to know that I've raised 2 kids who's last name is "Gallegos". But they're okay I guess, since they don' t speak spanish most of the time...

 

[ThikStik]

Who's been inconvenienced? :
-Anyone American who's been- hit by a drunk and uninsured alien. Or stabbed, assaulted etc by an illegal. Remember,law enforcement cant do anything.
-Any person denied ER treatment due to hospital closures
-Ant person who has higher medical cost.
-Any person who's schools, law, local and state entities, etc now have to hire interpreters.
-Any person who has seen their neighborhood overrun just to see their property values plummet, Look out -Im outta line! Don't get mad at me for stating this-It is happening. And then you have to over pay to live in a safe neighborhood.
-Any person who has kids that would otherwise benefit from low end work.
-Any person who would like the US to have a fair trade factor
-Basically any tax paying American. Also keep in mind, your progeny has paid taxes for decades.

 

[badboy86gn2]

Hmmmmm

You guys are all nuts

There is alot more going on in the big picture then what illigals contribute to

I ounce said to a friend(WHITE) of mine who was in danger of losing his job to a mexican painter who would do the same work cheaper
Now is the time for you to show this company why they are paying you what they are I told him you are better then him right and he said yes then i said dont worry and they let the mexican go and kept him

the problem is no matter illigal or legal someone is always trying to move up and that in turn keeps us on our feet

I cant beleave how many AMERICANS want everything for nothing like if someone owes us something.

You get out what you put in life and to be honest nobody wants to do that

when i used to do drywall i can remember the ASIANS houses we would go to do pacthes and i said what the hell there so picky and in china there living standards im sure were not what they are here BUT I SAID THEY DID WHAT I DIDNT WANT TO DO TO HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE SO YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THAT

Johnny