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kirban 2 cents worth

to answer your questions companies that do oil samples for zddplus they use 2 of them. one company does it for major oil companeis and tests can run severla hundred dollars....

here is a point you are not grasping...

outside of racing oils or oils that do NOT i repeat do not have the star burst symbol that reads SM it does not matter what brand it is under SM by law EPA whatever can only contain 800 ppm of zddp....reason is new cataltyic converters have a warranty of 100,000 miles plus...back in our day Turbo regals it was 50,000 miles. they claim higher amount of ZDDP which is a big long chemical word not just zinc....is harmful....for converters.

Granted when my source behind this huge project originally did this it was for the flat tappet market which is about 7 million plus vehicles....

More importantly it is for those that have high performance engines and owners that care about their engines etc.....since zddp is a lubricant it stands to reason it is also good for roller set ups...this came about because shops that build high performance engines were talking 1,000 plus HP tear them down...and they have noticed using zddplus our product has reduced scuffing and cam lobe wear.....

You don't have to buy it from a supporting vendor heck, we sell it to moss motors perhaps the largest supplier for british cars...2 of the largest studebaker companies, the largest corvair company, mac antiques which is the old ford market, eastwood which everyone probably has their catalog, isky cam, crower cam, erson cam, delta cam, bill hirsch products, even sell to a guy who sells Lotus parts. Year One, Corvette Central, Nationals Parts Depot just to name a few that you probably heard of. All companies I have personally sell to.

We do sell to some retail stores as well, but not many yet. Takes alot of work to get into retail stores. They need people to ask for the product by name.....that day is coming.

Plus we have Don Garlits as a spokesperson...I don;t think at 76 years of age he needs the money to promote a product he doesn't see a need for. the man is at the top of his game in national winners for 50 plus years.

Listen, send me a pm I will gladly send you this testamonial you can even call them....don't take my word for it.....

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com

years ago doctors said smoking was good for you....

oil was supposed to be backwards compatible....guess what it isn't......
 
I can drive down the street to Target and pick this STP up in a pinch when I change the oil on my daily driver. I cant wait a week for somebody to ship me additive. Thats what my question was directed towards................ would I rather order from vendors....... yes. Is it always practical...... no.

This being said............... I guess whats it matter, I havent been running it in the daily driver for 1.5 yrs and 10,000 miles, oh well:o
 
Not to beat a dead horse here, but I have a dumb question here.

Why is ZDDPlus not available at local chain stores? Why are we forced to have it shipped to us?
 
Not to beat a dead horse here, but I have a dumb question here.

Why is ZDDPlus not available at local chain stores? Why are we forced to have it shipped to us?

Probably the government not wanting us to have easy access to something that will "add to the pollution" :rolleyes:

I still find it rather difficult to comprehend, that a roller engine still needs the $10 additive... I'm rebuilding my L98 which has a factory roller cam.. Now that I'm spending more $ on rebuilding it (than the whole donor car) with a nice set of heads and aftermarket cam, I guess I'll be spending more on my oil changes too...:frown:
 
Even though its a roller and running one with high spring psi's and aggresive ramp grinds, etc there is still a high friction area there that the additive helps
 
Not to beat a dead horse here, but I have a dumb question here.

Why is ZDDPlus not available at local chain stores? Why are we forced to have it shipped to us?

kirban 2 cents worth

We do sell to individual napa etc stores also some speed shops however, we concentrated mainily with mail order firms and huge national engine warehouses and cam companies. it is very difficult even in normal economic times to crack the retail market for a company like us that has never sold to a retail outlet (no track record) The major chains are aware of our produtc and eventually it should happen...

Takes people asking for the product to crack that market. Shipping is not bad we can ship 6-8 bottles for virtually the same amount as one bottle ups ground...we will have it for sale at the GS Nats also...

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com

Hey give me the name and contact to a supplier in your area and I wlil contact them!
 
Probably the government not wanting us to have easy access to something that will "add to the pollution" :rolleyes:

I still find it rather difficult to comprehend, that a roller engine still needs the $10 additive... I'm rebuilding my L98 which has a factory roller cam.. Now that I'm spending more $ on rebuilding it (than the whole donor car) with a nice set of heads and aftermarket cam, I guess I'll be spending more on my oil changes too...:frown:

kirban 2 cents worth

I have solid proof that the product is needed in roller set ups with extreme pressure points....Shop builds 1,000 hp engines, and has torn them down using zddplus and seen significant reduction in scuffing and cam wear....period.

With your investment use whatever oil you been using and add one bottle $10 to protect your investment....

Send me pm with your address and I can send you a copy of the testamonial. The shop builds engines that have been featured in magazines....

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com
 
Just passing on the fact it's cheap, so cheap that even a TB owner who doesn't add anything to their oil may decide to run it for 97 cents. I'll have to check out the "real" stuff when I get my low blm issue sorted out. Too many oil changes right now:mad:

kirban 2 cents worth

It does not have to be added strictly at an oil change zddplus can be added any time.....

The guy behind this product (not me) has without any question the largest turbo buick collection anywhere period.......

He is not in the automotive business it was first promoted to his fellow turbo owners....and we have taken it to all other markets. We have some companies buying 1,000 or more bottles every month.

Cam wear is not reverseable...once it starts the damage is done.....

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com
 
I think there's a lot of gear hear/hot rodder's that aren't aware of the lack of ZDDP in their oils. I really feel that a lot of guy's would buy this if they could get it local.

kirban 2 cents worth

We do sell to individual napa etc stores also some speed shops however, we concentrated mainily with mail order firms and huge national engine warehouses and cam companies. it is very difficult even in normal economic times to crack the retail market for a company like us that has never sold to a retail outlet (no track record) The major chains are aware of our produtc and eventually it should happen...

Takes people asking for the product to crack that market. Shipping is not bad we can ship 6-8 bottles for virtually the same amount as one bottle ups ground...we will have it for sale at the GS Nats also...

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com

Hey give me the name and contact to a supplier in your area and I wlil contact them!
 
kirban 2 cents worth

I agree...its a big country and I am trying....however we sell to several street rod companies mac antiques, chevs of the 40s....I am sure many of them buy from eastwood or bill hirsh products both of these companies cater to the older cars of any style.

You supply the leads and I will call them....

kirbanperformance.co


denniskirban@yahoo.com
 
kirban 2 cents worth


should retail for arund $10 a bottle everywhere...actually we have a lot of distributors in California, Isky, Crower, Moss Motors, plus several engine shops....yes it would be greatly beneficial to your roller set up....

Also Corvette Clinic, erc racing fuels, Franklin auto parts, Gils Classic Ford Center, Marc Cady, Pacific Performance, Prestige Thunderbirds, Redlands Muffler, Studebaker west....superior automotive engineering....



kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com
 
Dennis...

I noticed the last time I changed the oil in my motorcycle (Harley), that the oil I use (Renegade 20w-50) has 2,000ppm of ZDDP in each quart. Thoughts?

Have you had any motorcycle inquires on the ZDDPlus? I'm thinking it would be just as beneficial here as well, especially when converting to gear drive cams, etc...

BTW, I'm a stocking distributor for the ZDDPlus... ;) :biggrin:


K.
 
kirban 2 cents worth

We have not really looked at the bike market...however, we do sell product to several people that have high powered boats. One of our distributors also now sells to a company that makes performance cams for diesel trucks as he has seen problems.

I thought most bike companies have a special oil. I know a few years back BMW had oil issues with the M3 cars and they highly recommend their oil which I think is like 20-60 or something similar.

I have sold some to BMW bike owners. What mix they use I have no idea. I am sure if you analyzed the oils bike companies recommend they have proper levels of ZDDP in their concentration.

kirbanperformance.com

denniskirban@yahoo.com
 
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OK, if it was reduced in current oils to lower emissions but, has been known to eat catalytic converters, what happens when my friend runs it in his new ZR1 and those things go bye bye?
 
If you don't like ZDDP don't use it. It OBVIOUSLY works great for some people. If you knew Mr. Clark or had any idea about the research that has gone into this product you may get past your snake oil phobea:rolleyes:

He puts more R&D into our factory setup cars than ANYONE! He does it for the love of the cars, it is nice to have someone like that on our side...

Start on tire brands, that is wide open:)
 
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OK, if it was reduced in current oils to lower emissions but, has been known to eat catalytic converters, what happens when my friend runs it in his new ZR1 and those things go bye bye?

why would he need zinc in a new z06??? it doesn't have a flat tappet cam???:confused:
they only have found zinc in the z06s' break in oil......not needed after that.?
 
Not to beat a dead horse here, but I have a dumb question here.

Why is ZDDPlus not available at local chain stores? Why are we forced to have it shipped to us?

Probably at almost 10 bucks a bottle, it will just set there and collect dust! And, they'll probably have to sell it for a much more reasonable price!! I don't know, but now that they're selling more ZDDPlus, you would think the price would drop?? Hmmm.........

Ken
 
Wow I didn't think where was much wear issues with roller setup.
 
If you don't like ZDDP don't use it. It OBVIOUSLY works great for some people. If you knew Mr. Clark or had any idea about the research that has gone into this product you may get past your snake oil phobea:rolleyes:

He puts more R&D into our factory setup cars than ANYONE! He does it for the love of the cars, it is nice to have someone like that on our side...

Start on tire brands, that is wide open:)

You guys use it?
 
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