TurboTnZ06
Go on red!
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- May 7, 2002
Still waiting on some parts to arrive, but here it goes. Stock tank, -10 to Weldon 1100 with pre and post filters to -8 teflon feed line to the factory rail with a turbofabricator inspired dowty seal, to a -6 teflon return off the factory style regulator with the 14mm to -6 adapter part number posted by gnxtc2- thanks guys. Most of the fittings are here but waiting on the pump and some 90* fittings to run the lines up in the factory location around the timing cover. Hopefully I have it covered, we'll find out in a few weeks when the pump arrives (backordered).
If you follow the regulator adapters, I'm thinking it will fit barely, but convert 14mm to -6, then a short 90 degree fitting, then up 45 degrees to clear the alt bracket, then down 90 degrees netting a 45 degree result for the TFE straight line fitting to screw into, then down to a 90 degree by the frame rail and straight back to the -6 to -10 conversion at the tank. This may or may not work, we'll find out... I'm hoping the factory regulator isn't too small.
The feed to the factory rail technique is noted in this thread by turbofabricator: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/213332-fuel-rail-thread-size-ground-bolt-size.html
// WELDON RACING PUMPS // 1100 HP Inline Fuel Pump -- Weldon Racing Pumps
I used teflon because of gas smell seepage concerns and longevity compared to rubber. The 1100 is not for E85 based on the Weldon website from what I can tell. You could save a bunch of money by creating your own sump or pickup, but I chose to go with new stuff like the RobbMc anodized pickup which even comes prewired and with a sender and -10 male attachments. You could also use non teflon line and regular generic hose ends to save a bunch of money too.
The other thing you'll need is a vise to hold the line to get the hose ends started. I used a big LED flashlight to check in the holes to make sure it wasn't tearing into the rubber. Lube and also I trimmed the edges at 45 degrees to make the hose end slide in better on the summit hose. The Aeroquip TFE hose requires the braid to be pulled back and a compression fitting slid over the teflon hose to provide the seal. I printed a copy of this off: http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/Aeroquip.pdf
Be sure to wear clothes to throw away because you'll be losing blood unless you have a set of leather gloves. Also, the frayed hose ends will jump out and snag on your clothing such as shoestrings and anything freshly painted nearby.
Another hint, before ordering, search the part number on the manufacturer's website to make sure its compatible, ie, you can't mix 37 degree and 45 degree JIC/AN/SAE fittings together.
Here's the parts list:
RobbsMc -10/-10 ½ inch anodized GBody pickup $235
RobbMc Performance Products - GM 1/2" Sending Unit
Hartline Performance Order - Hartline
Weldon 1100 fuel pump -10/-10 in/out, 100 micron filter, 40 micron filter ~ $320 + 60 + 90 = about $500 I'm guessing
SummitRacing Order:
AER-FCC0620
-6 TFE hose s/s cover 20 ft $121.95 1
AER-FCC0820
-8 TFE hose s/s cover 20 ft $137.95 1
EAR-9892106ERL
FEMALE 10 MALE 6 REDUCER $16.99 1
EAR-991915ERL
-8 TO -10 UNION $8.95 1
EAR-9919EFJERL
-8 AN TO 16MM-1.5 ADAPTER $6.95 1
EAR-178110ERL
5/8 DOWTY SEAL - PKG. OF 2 $10.99 1
EAR-AT981510ERL
ANO-TUFF -10 MALE UNION $7.88 5
SUM-220090B
-10 STRAIGHT BLACK HOSE END $8.06 2
SUM-230006
S.S. HOSE-10 6FT $39.95 1
AER-FBM1104
-8 AN ST. HOSE END FOR TFE $9.25 3
AER-FBM1123
-8 AN 90° ELBOW JIC/AN $12.95 1
EAR-AT981508ERL
ANO-TUFF -8 MALE UNION $4.95 1
EAR-991954ERL
-6 TO 14MM X1.5 POWER STEERING $6.95 1
AER-FBM1122
-6 AN 90° ELBOW JIC/AN $18.25 1
EAR-AT924106ERL
-6 MALE TO FEMALE 45* SWIVEL $21.95 1
EAR-AT935106ERL
-6 female female 90* fitting $13.95 1
EAR-AT981506ERL
-6 TO -6 ANO-TUFF MALE UNION $4.88 2
AER-FBM1103
-6 AN ST. HOSE END FOR TFE $5.95 3
AER-FBM3482
SUPPORT CLAMP $9.99 1
AER-FBM3484
SUPPORT CLAMPS $3.75 1
SUM-900106
-6 AN WRENCH 11/16 HEX $9.95 1
SUM-900108
-8 AN WRENCH 7/8 HEX $10.25 1
SUM-900110
-10 AN WRENCH 1 HEX $10.75 1
Jegs Order
Part # Description Unit Price Qty Price
799-640060 SWIVEL COUPLER 45DEG #10 $22.99 2 - optional to conform to the stock tank clearance
799-614806 90DEG FEMALE TO MALE # 6 $21.99 1 - needed for intake clearance off the regulator after the conversion to -6
Total: $75
Delivery and Handling Charges $12.95 + 9.95
Hose and Fittings Total $676.20
Grand Total: $1,411.20
Feed fitting count: 15
Return fitting count: 13
Hose count: 3
Hope this helps anyone trying to figure out an upgrade if they've never done braided lines before (I haven't until now). I'll post pictures as I make progress in installation. Hopefully the 1100 will be a stealth install and won't be much louder than a 340.
I also cut up a used serpentine belt and zip tied it to my vise to not damage the lines.
You don't "need" AN wrenches, but they are used to not scratch the fittings because they are aluminum.
PS- I have the rearend and driveshaft out of the car, which should make installation easier.
If you follow the regulator adapters, I'm thinking it will fit barely, but convert 14mm to -6, then a short 90 degree fitting, then up 45 degrees to clear the alt bracket, then down 90 degrees netting a 45 degree result for the TFE straight line fitting to screw into, then down to a 90 degree by the frame rail and straight back to the -6 to -10 conversion at the tank. This may or may not work, we'll find out... I'm hoping the factory regulator isn't too small.
The feed to the factory rail technique is noted in this thread by turbofabricator: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/213332-fuel-rail-thread-size-ground-bolt-size.html
// WELDON RACING PUMPS // 1100 HP Inline Fuel Pump -- Weldon Racing Pumps
I used teflon because of gas smell seepage concerns and longevity compared to rubber. The 1100 is not for E85 based on the Weldon website from what I can tell. You could save a bunch of money by creating your own sump or pickup, but I chose to go with new stuff like the RobbMc anodized pickup which even comes prewired and with a sender and -10 male attachments. You could also use non teflon line and regular generic hose ends to save a bunch of money too.
The other thing you'll need is a vise to hold the line to get the hose ends started. I used a big LED flashlight to check in the holes to make sure it wasn't tearing into the rubber. Lube and also I trimmed the edges at 45 degrees to make the hose end slide in better on the summit hose. The Aeroquip TFE hose requires the braid to be pulled back and a compression fitting slid over the teflon hose to provide the seal. I printed a copy of this off: http://www.classicperform.com/Instructions/PDF/Aeroquip.pdf
Be sure to wear clothes to throw away because you'll be losing blood unless you have a set of leather gloves. Also, the frayed hose ends will jump out and snag on your clothing such as shoestrings and anything freshly painted nearby.
Another hint, before ordering, search the part number on the manufacturer's website to make sure its compatible, ie, you can't mix 37 degree and 45 degree JIC/AN/SAE fittings together.
Here's the parts list:
RobbsMc -10/-10 ½ inch anodized GBody pickup $235
RobbMc Performance Products - GM 1/2" Sending Unit
Hartline Performance Order - Hartline
Weldon 1100 fuel pump -10/-10 in/out, 100 micron filter, 40 micron filter ~ $320 + 60 + 90 = about $500 I'm guessing
SummitRacing Order:
AER-FCC0620
-6 TFE hose s/s cover 20 ft $121.95 1
AER-FCC0820
-8 TFE hose s/s cover 20 ft $137.95 1
EAR-9892106ERL
FEMALE 10 MALE 6 REDUCER $16.99 1
EAR-991915ERL
-8 TO -10 UNION $8.95 1
EAR-9919EFJERL
-8 AN TO 16MM-1.5 ADAPTER $6.95 1
EAR-178110ERL
5/8 DOWTY SEAL - PKG. OF 2 $10.99 1
EAR-AT981510ERL
ANO-TUFF -10 MALE UNION $7.88 5
SUM-220090B
-10 STRAIGHT BLACK HOSE END $8.06 2
SUM-230006
S.S. HOSE-10 6FT $39.95 1
AER-FBM1104
-8 AN ST. HOSE END FOR TFE $9.25 3
AER-FBM1123
-8 AN 90° ELBOW JIC/AN $12.95 1
EAR-AT981508ERL
ANO-TUFF -8 MALE UNION $4.95 1
EAR-991954ERL
-6 TO 14MM X1.5 POWER STEERING $6.95 1
AER-FBM1122
-6 AN 90° ELBOW JIC/AN $18.25 1
EAR-AT924106ERL
-6 MALE TO FEMALE 45* SWIVEL $21.95 1
EAR-AT935106ERL
-6 female female 90* fitting $13.95 1
EAR-AT981506ERL
-6 TO -6 ANO-TUFF MALE UNION $4.88 2
AER-FBM1103
-6 AN ST. HOSE END FOR TFE $5.95 3
AER-FBM3482
SUPPORT CLAMP $9.99 1
AER-FBM3484
SUPPORT CLAMPS $3.75 1
SUM-900106
-6 AN WRENCH 11/16 HEX $9.95 1
SUM-900108
-8 AN WRENCH 7/8 HEX $10.25 1
SUM-900110
-10 AN WRENCH 1 HEX $10.75 1
Jegs Order
Part # Description Unit Price Qty Price
799-640060 SWIVEL COUPLER 45DEG #10 $22.99 2 - optional to conform to the stock tank clearance
799-614806 90DEG FEMALE TO MALE # 6 $21.99 1 - needed for intake clearance off the regulator after the conversion to -6
Total: $75
Delivery and Handling Charges $12.95 + 9.95
Hose and Fittings Total $676.20
Grand Total: $1,411.20
Feed fitting count: 15
Return fitting count: 13
Hose count: 3
Hope this helps anyone trying to figure out an upgrade if they've never done braided lines before (I haven't until now). I'll post pictures as I make progress in installation. Hopefully the 1100 will be a stealth install and won't be much louder than a 340.
I also cut up a used serpentine belt and zip tied it to my vise to not damage the lines.
You don't "need" AN wrenches, but they are used to not scratch the fittings because they are aluminum.
PS- I have the rearend and driveshaft out of the car, which should make installation easier.