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Vader GN

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Hi.
I recently installed a turbotweak street chip, 42# inj, a walbro pump, and an adj regulator. I was told this combo with my TA49 turbo would put out 17-18lbs of boost and put me in the high 12's. According to my autometer gauge, I'm getting 10 , but the stock digital meter is reading around 15. I'm assuming one or both of them is wrong, but although the car feels a little faster, it doesnt feel 18 lbs of boost faster. And it still feels pretty sluggish off the line, even with a 2800 stall converter. Definitely not like a 12 second car. Any ideas? I'm still kind of a novice with these cars.

Thanks.
 
Don't trust the stock boost gauge, trust the aftermarket one. Did you SET your boost to 18 lbs? Boost isn't just going to increase by itself. You need an adjustable wastegate or boost controller to hold the WG shut, allowing more boost to be built.
 
Um boost does not magically happen... Go to GNttype.org and read up on everything... Get a scan master and an adjustable waste gate rod and start there... Dont bother with either the stock tac or boost guage...
 
Trust me you got to tune! I got my new combo, and it is nothing like the old one. The car is faster, but it needed to be tuned, im not leaving with alot of boost, so my 60' is low.
 
If I can also suggest you get to know someone who has or has had one of these cars and knows their way around them. As the others have mentioned just changing a chip will not increase your boost. That has to be adjusted at the waste gate. If you feel the car is running better now it's because you now have Eric's chip in there.

For boost adjustments on your set up you will need an adjustable waste gate rod and you will have to shorten it to increase boost. Do this a few turns at a time and measure boost with an accurate gauge, you'll need a good fuel pressure gauge as well and a scan-master. It looks like your on the right track anyway. you already have the hot-wire kit and a sufficient fuel pump. This tried and true combo should net you low 12's and be a blast on the street with that turbo and a 2800 stall.

With a te-61 at 18 psi, 60#'s, alky, ported and polished iron heads, front mount I went 11.48 @ 118 with a zero boost launch. I was surprised the car went that fast because seat of the pants it doesn't feel as fast as my friends 13 second Vette. The cars are very smooth and seat of the pants feel can be deceiving.

Are you seeing lots of black smoke on take off coming out of the exhaust?

Do you still have a catalytic converter, and have your valve springs ever been changed?
 
Thanks for the replies guys.

I wasnt aware I had to adjust the boost myself. I do have the adj wastegate rod. Is one complete turn of the nut, 1 lb of boost? (tightening it, correct?)

I have a fuel pressure gauge waiting to go in. The autometer boost gauge came with the car, and was working fine. I dont see any leaks, but maybe something came loose.

Scanmaster and downpipe are on the list. Is the stock downpipe choking me with my mods?

The motor/trans was rebuilt at 130k.. I have 140k on it now, so I'm assuming all the internals are new. (I bought it with 136k)
 
Vader GN,

Do you have a hot wire on there for the fuel pump? Fuel pressure gage? You will need both before turning up the wick....
Gee with a alky kit and a alky chip from Eric at TT you will be in the low 12's for sure, well....... if you can get traction....
Your combination is looking good.

Chuck
 
Thanks for the replies guys.

I wasnt aware I had to adjust the boost myself. I do have the adj wastegate rod. Is one complete turn of the nut, 1 lb of boost? (tightening it, correct?)

I have a fuel pressure gauge waiting to go in. The autometer boost gauge came with the car, and was working fine. I dont see any leaks, but maybe something came loose.

Scanmaster and downpipe are on the list. Is the stock downpipe choking me with my mods?

The motor/trans was rebuilt at 130k.. I have 140k on it now, so I'm assuming all the internals are new. (I bought it with 136k)

Oh lord...

Famous last words: "I have to adjust the boost myself?"..........."BOOM!"

Not trying to bust your balls, but that phrase usually describes the typical person that wrecks an LC2 motor. That's ok, don't worry about it. I was one as well. We all were :) You've come to the right place though. If I were closer to you, I'd come over there and help you out anytime you'd need.

Judging by those words, I'm guessing that you haven't done a thorough once over on this car, before bolting on the 'go fast' parts. Try to make sure the stuff that's in there from the factory is doin' ok first. Things like suspension, (differential clutch packs) tires, brakes, fuel system, cooling, body/frame bracing, exhaust, electrical, etc. etc.

Have you gone thru, and make sure the oil and filter is changed? Trans too? How's those clutch packs in the rear end? Did ya replace the stock rear sway bar yet? Any air bags in the rear springs? Did you throw on the 4 frame brace kits from Kirbans? Do you have a torque strap for your engine? You running aftermarket turbo hoses with good clamps? How's the brakes? Did ya do the S-10 cylinder conversion yet? PCV valve workin? Do you have a powerplate? (it really helps) Have you gone over your fuel system yet, to include cleaning out your gas tank, replacing the fuel filter, and verifying the regulator, to ensure it holds pressure and doesn't leak? Is your pump hotwired? Hows's that radiator/thermostat? Did ya go over your coil pack, wires, and plugs yet? Is your TPS squared away? Do you have an oil pressure gauge? Scanmaster? (VERY important) Do you have good shocks/springs? Are you running a cat converter? What mufflers are you using? What kind of intercooler? What type of fuel do you run? What's the average temperatures over there?

All of this is VERY important. The minute you start strappin' on power adders to an otherwise stock car, things start to break. Our cars couldn't handle the power STOCK, let alone with increased torque. And by the way, a TA49 is good for high elevens if your car is done right. If I were you, I'd keep that turbo down below 13 pounds, (completely IGNORE all the stock gauges, unless you've sent them to caspers for a tuneup) 'till you get your car's supporting mods squared away or verified. I don't want to see you break anything. Please get the 4 frame braces, engine strap, fuel pressure gauge, powerplate, scanmaster and oil pressure gauge in there quick. Otherwise you don't know what she's doin'. (this stuff is just safety insurance, no buick should be without this stuff)

The depending on what type of mufflers you're running, and whether or not you have a cat, I'd wait for the downpipe for now. Get the suspension and brakes goin' first. In the minimum, get a good rear sway bar, and air bags for the rear springs. Make sure your brakes are good, and get either the big shoes for the rear, or do the S-10 cylinders. This way you have a good platform for all that torque. :) From there, hit the cooling system, and maybe some Spicer U joints, some good mickey thompsons, a manual boost controller, and if you're running a stock IC, a duttweiler IC neck.
 
wow..thats quite a list!

I've actually had the car over 2 years now, so as far as maintaining it, I've been keeping up. I'm just starting to get into the mods though.

The motor and trans were rebuilt before I bought it and are in great running condition. I change the oil regularly and just tuned it (new pugs-wires-pcv-egr-fuel filter). Also, I put in new stainless fuel lines, a walbro pump with hotwire, a new billet adj regulator, and new 42 lb inj, so the fuel system should be up to snuff.

I havent done any suspension or traction mods, but it does have some fat 255 meats on the back. I'm not too concerned with that stuff yet as I'm not dragging it much(just twice so far). The brakes are on the list though.

I actually live pretty close the Stage 1 ( a popular buick turbo shopin NJ) so I figured once I got the downpipe and scanmaster in, I'd take it down there for them to size up. I also have a dutweiller neck on order and I'm going to flush the IC when I get it put in.

See? I'm not doing so bad! :biggrin:
 
Not trying to bust your balls, but that phrase usually describes the typical person that wrecks an LC2 motor. That's ok, don't worry about it. I was one as well. We all were :)

Yup, don't feel bad, when I came here I didn't know JACK. Now I spend most of my free time here answering questions, rather than asking them. I'm still no expert, but point being, you keep asking questions until you get to the point where you can share the info with other people.

I actually live pretty close the Stage 1 ( a popular buick turbo shopin NJ) so I figured once I got the downpipe and scanmaster in, I'd take it down there for them to size up. I also have a dutweiller neck on order and I'm going to flush the IC when I get it put in.

See? I'm not doing so bad! :biggrin:



You mentioned you have a Buick shop near by, it would be a good idea to let them look at it. There can be small things like vacuum/exhaust leaks that really hurt performance, and overall tune. They should be able to help.
 
Also, if you run HIGH octain gas like 110octain, or Alky that will give you a little room for a mistake, or two when upping the boost. When i got my car i blew my head gaskets at least 6times!!!
 
Before you turn up the boost you NEED a way to monitor the engine such as a scan master. The scan master will also help you tune your car. I have seen well tuned bone-stock TR's outperform untuned modified cars.
 
Vader where in jersey are ya. Im about 7 miles from stage 1. Have you been there yet?
 
Yes one of my workers live there im about a half hour from there 20mins with no traffic and in BOOST:biggrin:
 
there ya go then. another buick guy to help ya. good to go.

Though, you need to get those 4 frame brace kits and the engine tie down strap in there before you go turnin up the boost, as well as the 4 appropriate gauges that belong in the car too. (boost, oil, water and volts)
After that, get the airbags in, the control arms boxed, new control arm bushings, and a good rear sway bar. Then do the spicer u joints and the 275 mickey thompsons, and you're ready to beat corvettes like it's your job.
 
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