Old School Action Fabrication Stock Location Intercooler

[turbo89]

What is it within the core that makes a 20 year old technology CAS intercooler so superior to anything made before or since? You are correct that the CAS cores look different than most aftermarket intercooler cores because they are tube and fin instead of bar and plate. Tube and fin is older technology but still very effective. Is it your position that any car with any intercooler will pick up performance by only switching to a CAS intercooler? That's a bet I am willing to take.

well you said he used the same cores as Spearco and Bell and everyone else .. which is not correct ... now your correcting yourself after my post .

Why are you changing things .. Where did I ever state that if you put a CAS on any car regardless of what they are running that they will pickup ??

My position is simple .. as I mentioned above .. a CAS V4 will outperform a PTE SLIC on the same car on the same day on the same setup PERIOD
just as a CAS FM will outperform a PTE FM PERIOD .. and I REALLY hope you take that bet. How much skin you wanna put in the game ?

I have one of all the above ready to go .

 

[Steve]

well you said he used the same cores as Spearco and Bell and everyone else .. which is not correct ... now your correcting yourself after my post .

Why are you changing things .. Where did I ever state that if you put a CAS on any car regardless of what they are running that they will pickup ??

My position is simple .. as I mentioned above .. a CAS V4 will outperform a PTE SLIC on the same car on the same day on the same setup PERIOD
just as a CAS FM will outperform a PTE FM PERIOD .. and I REALLY hope you take that bet. How much skin you wanna put in the game ?

I have one of all the above ready to go .

Bell and Spearco made tube and fin cores during that time so I am correcting nothing only stating CAS used old technology cores.

Here is what you said:

"The CAS in both slic and FM configs ALWAYS ran a few ticks faster"

You didn't say just compared to PTE intercoolers-you said "ALWAYS" ran faster-so now who's backtracking?

I will pick my intercooler choice and you pick the CAS and we will see if the CAS always runs faster as you state. If your are in let me know and we have a couple of members that can do a very scientific and unbiased test with plenty of data.

You never did tell what makes the CAS supieor to other intercoolers.

 

[turbo89]

Bell and Spearco made tube and fin cores during that time so I am correcting nothing only stating CAS used old technology cores.

Here is what you said:

"The CAS in both slic and FM configs ALWAYS ran a few ticks faster"

You didn't say just compared to PTE intercoolers-you said "ALWAYS" ran faster-so now who's backtracking?

I will pick my intercooler choice and you pick the CAS and we will see if the CAS always runs faster as you state. If your are in let me know and we have a couple of members that can do a very scientific and unbiased test with plenty of data.

You never did tell what makes the CAS supieor to other intercoolers.

Show me 1 Bell or Spearco Core from that time that used the same core as a CAS ..
you keep stating that the CAS used "OLD " core design ... funny how OLD core design still yields better performance than the "NEW" PTE core design

and you are taking my statement out of context .. the NEXT LINE WAS which you left out "The PTE's NEVER produced results "

I've repeated it about a half dozen times already in this thread .. not sure how I can be much clearer.

Now you are AGAIN changing what I said .... stating you will pick an intercooler of your choice and compare it to the CAS ...
QUIT changing things ! if you want to compare the CAS to the PTE offerings in both configs... on the same car .. I AM SO GAME !

and to answer your last comment What makes the CAS superior to other intercoolers ( PARTICULARLY PTE's ) ---> THEY PERFORM BETTER !!!

 

[Steve]

Show me 1 Bell or Spearco Core from that time that used the same core as a CAS ..
you keep stating that the CAS used "OLD " core design ... funny how OLD core design still yields better performance than the "NEW" PTE core design

and you are taking my statement out of context .. the NEXT LINE WAS which you left out "The PTE's NEVER produced results "

I've repeated it about a half dozen times already in this thread .. not sure how I can be much clearer.

Now you are AGAIN changing what I said .... stating you will pick an intercooler of your choice and compare it to the CAS ...
QUIT changing things ! if you want to compare the CAS to the PTE offerings in both configs... on the same car .. I AM SO GAME !

and to answer your last comment What makes the CAS superior to other intercoolers ( /QUOTE]


You can't keep your thoughts straight.

Here is what I said

"Is it your position that any car with any intercooler will pick up performance by only switching to a CAS intercooler? That's a bet I am willing to take."

If you want to take that bet, I am in.

The last statement in your post I quoted above.

Show me 1 Bell or Spearco Core from that time that used the same core as a CAS ..
you keep stating that the CAS used "OLD " core design ... funny how OLD core design still yields better performance than the "NEW" PTE core design

and you are taking my statement out of context .. the NEXT LINE WAS which you left out "The PTE's NEVER produced results "

I've repeated it about a half dozen times already in this thread .. not sure how I can be much clearer.

Now you are AGAIN changing what I said .... stating you will pick an intercooler of your choice and compare it to the CAS ...
QUIT changing things ! if you want to compare the CAS to the PTE offerings in both configs... on the same car .. I AM SO GAME !

and to answer your last comment What makes the CAS superior to other intercoolers ( PARTICULARLY PTE's ) ---> THEY PERFORM BETTER !!!

You are all over the place with your statements

. Read carefully.

Here is what I said

"Is it your position that any car with any intercooler will pick up performance by only switching to a CAS intercooler? That's a bet I am willing to take."

If you want to take that bet I am in.

You claim you said the CAS will only outperform the PTE but then you state again the CAS will outperform other intercoolers again. That's pretty funny. Here's the last thing you said in your last post:


"and to answer your last comment What makes the CAS superior to other intercoolers ( PARTICULARLY PTE's ) ---> THEY PERFORM BETTER !!"

You say it performs better than other intercoolers-not just the PTE. So are you going to take the bet? I will pick my "other" intercooler and you take the CAS and let's lock it in.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Anyone have any results with one? These were sold by ATR, BGC and Conley I believe


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Are you saying bowling green customs sold action fabrication stock locations? I do recall BGC stamped on the tank, I'm not sure atr would sell the same item as another vendor back in the day. They made all their own stuff, action fab brings back memories but I can't visualize it at the moment.

Where does the thunder fab stack up?

CAS had the v4R version too, don't forget about it

I have a cas fmic on one car, and a brand new pte fmic on another. Up for sale soon enough.

 

[Pronto]

http://ihadav8.com/forum/VortexBuicks/ICtest.htm
Although the information is old, it's relevent. The pressure drop figures are interesting. In bison's thread about intercoolers, pressure drop is a major issue relative to performance.

 

[johnplogii]

Pte front mount on my car has been 5.60's/121.xx and 8.90's/148.xx mph with iron heads. I did try the big RJC unit and picked up nothing.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

Pte front mount on my car has been 5.60's/121.xx and 8.90's/148.xx mph with iron heads. I did try the big RJC unit and picked up nothing.

Hi John

 

[Steve]

Pte front mount on my car has been 5.60's/121.xx and 8.90's/148.xx mph with iron heads. I did try the big RJC unit and picked up nothing.

There's real world serious performance numbers from what I consider to be one of the most impressive cars in the Turbo Buick community.

 

[Pronto]

But we know the CAS would be faster.

 

[johnplogii]

Hi John

Hi Brian

 

[johnplogii]

There's real world serious performance numbers from what I consider to be one of the most impressive cars in the Turbo Buick community.

Thanks Steve

 

[BEATAV8]

http://ihadav8.com/forum/VortexBuicks/ICtest.htm
Although the information is old, it's relevent. The pressure drop figures are interesting. In bison's thread about intercoolers, pressure drop is a major issue relative to performance.

In God we trust. All others must bring data. And that's data.

 

[turbo89]

In God we trust. All others must bring data. And that's data.

Just like a single DW pump is good for only hi 11's and there is no way 80's can get you 10's.. Open your minds and get off your high horses

 

[TURBOELKY]

I just want to see pics, where are the pics. This thread sucks without pics...

Thank you.

 

[Pronto]

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/pictureguides/intercoolers/Intercoolerguide.html
You can see them here.

 

[bison]

Pte front mount on my car has been 5.60's/121.xx and 8.90's/148.xx mph with iron heads. I did try the big RJC unit and picked up nothing.

This intercooler definitely works and works well. I've been 9.96 with a 62mm inducer turbo. Also noted a 4psi pressure drop at 35psi manifold pressure (mid 9's @3600lbs) with the first design PTE with the current configuration. Looking to drop this to less than 1psi with the intercooler.


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[turbo89]

This intercooler definitely works and works well. I've been 9.96 with a 62mm inducer turbo. Also noted a 4psi pressure drop at 35psi manifold pressure (mid 9's @3600lbs) with the first design PTE with the current configuration. Looking to drop this to less than 1psi with the intercooler.


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As compared to what???

Pressure drop is just a small component

What else are you using to quantify "works well" .. A timeslip??

 

[Jerryl]

In God we trust. All others must bring data. And that's data.

Don't take your ability to collect and analyse the RIGHT data for granted.
My horse is a midget.

 

[Jerryl]

As compared to what???

Pressure drop is just a small component

What else are you using to quantify "works well" .. A timeslip??

I have a 18 second car so no need take anything to heart.

I am however just wondering if Bison really concerns himself to that basic level of design understanding?

I do know that whatever it is considered "works better" is ultimately confirmed by expected results supported by a combination of numbers of some sort. Everyone has a number and expectation that is considered success. Some expectations are just lower. Few however can repeat the results based on knowledge and science.