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Realistic and relaible methods for getting rid of the waste spark???
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I don't think the wastespark itself hurts any hp. I do find it easier to tune individual cylinders without the wastespark. I have also seen lower EGTs without the wastespark. I have tuned cars to make more hp with a distributor, but probably their tuneup was off before the swap 
Getting rid of the wastespark isn't for everyone, but there sure are a LOT of fast guys doing it and not looking back.
Getting rid of the wastespark isn't for everyone, but there sure are a LOT of fast guys doing it and not looking back.Mike Licht
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Cal, I agree with most your comments but would like to expand on them. As far as individual cylinder tuning I see no difference with or without but your experience is your experience and it may just be a difference in methods we use. As far as EGT goes if the EGT goes up using wastespark that means that there is unburned fuel in the cylinder and the second spark burns it in the pipe causing the EGT to go up (weak system = unburned fuel), nothing changed inside the cylinder, no harm, no foul. This is one reason why we see the HP go up when we improve the ignition system, we burn the fuel in the cylinder to release the energy. Another reason is the effective timing change which may see 2 degrees more timing in the cylinder. I do disagree with the Distributor making more power because it is a distributor, it makes more power from the sytem upgrade (MSD box = longer, hotter spark) but the distributor part IMO costs power, you do not see OEM's using them for a reason. Quite a few of the really fast guys are taking out the distrubutors and switching to COP systems as well. IMO a wastespark LS1 coil system will make more power than a distributor system. The reason I would get rid of wastespark is the ability to do things like 2 steps and revlimits without losing sync. Use this info with caution it is just my opinion and not designed to start a flame war and you all know what opinions are like and that everyone has one.
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Don,
as far as spark energy goes well it is one of the best, the rest, well, I will reserve comment. Yes they do have or had those patents, and they made a TON from them from the OE's
Mike
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John,
I works now, Bob is driving it, we need to make the final system with the toys like launch 2 step, soft rev limit and some other things we are working on.
Mike
From my experience there is gain from elimination of the waste spark. With the prototype system i have i can switch back and forth from one to the other by a simple coil pack/module change. In my car it is worth 2mph with no other changes.
In my opionion the ultimate would be the coil on plug LS coils and no waste spark.
I wish GSCA had not outlawed coil on plug ignitions. i don't understand why they did.
In my opionion the ultimate would be the coil on plug LS coils and no waste spark.
I wish GSCA had not outlawed coil on plug ignitions. i don't understand why they did.
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Sick, that sounds like a something for my Christmas List in 08!
I agree. Mike was going over some of the details with that thing at the shop, and it's pretty slick deal. It will be worth the wait.
The answer we're looking for is here: Pulse Plugs - 20,000X More Powerful Than Spark Plugs. Greater Horsepower, Fuel Efficiency, Torque.
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Cool plugs. Now I can go a second faster from a plug.?!! Can I put them in my headlamps and use them like strobe lights?:biggrin:
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The answer we're looking for is here: Pulse Plugs - 20,000X More Powerful Than Spark Plugs. Greater Horsepower, Fuel Efficiency, Torque.
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Very interesting. Thanks for the link.
Interesting? no, Funny? yes.
I am using this hotwire kit. I haven't opened up the plug gaps at all to see if it really does help tho.
Well, the fact that you have to create a new ground and positive feed leaves the possibility of bad connections which could cause the module to go...
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Interesting for certain......I would love to humor myself and try these things just for a laugh.....
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Jason I am sure your prototype system made more power, But did it ONLY eliminate wastespark or did it provide ANY sort of improved ignition (longer, hotter spark) ? If it did it is possible that is where the gain came from.
I agree that the LC coil, non-wastespark would be the ultimate. The feature set that you can get by changing to sequential is great. That is why we are building it.
Mike
Jason I am sure your prototype system made more power, But did it ONLY eliminate wastespark or did it provide ANY sort of improved ignition (longer, hotter spark) ? If it did it is possible that is where the gain came from.
I agree that the LC coil, non-wastespark would be the ultimate. The feature set that you can get by changing to sequential is great. That is why we are building it.
Mike
I thought the MEGACOIL SETUP it had dual DIS-4 boxes running it. You are right, that may be worth some gains in itself right there but those boxes are pretty pricey and unreliable IMHO.
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