Stage?

[Mac in SD]

The stage II heads mentioned may be good as a core, but expect to put about a g note into them (or more) for springs/spring cups/retainers/locks/valve job/machine work etc.
Most NA stage heads have weak used up springs on them which are not suitable for a turbocharged application, i.m.o.

The challenge was for a set of S2 heads for $400. Nobody said "complete - ready to run." I said I'd ship them immediately - which I'll do.

And, by the way, for $400 plus your g-note, that is one HELL of a set of heads for $1400 total investment.

They're excellent heads - Chapman's I was told. They came from Ray Baker Engeineering and probably flow 320+

Yes, you'd need springs, etc.

Odell's post is instructive. S2 parts can be had for reasonable $. That's all I was saying. I didn't say that setting up a car for 8's was cheap - just that you could build a reasonable strong and good running S2 for less than was implied with all the "bankruptcy" stuff.

 

[Nasty Wendy]

.....and don't forget that when you run Stage2 heads you are going to NEED Stage2 headers....$$$$$$

 

[Cheeseburger]

.....and don't forget that when you run Stage2 heads you are going to NEED Stage2 headers....$$$$$$

And a Stage II FI intake!

No worries on the heads Mac, just do not want to hear about how stage II heads are only worth $400.00 when i go to sell my stuff!:tongue:
I have a good $2000 in mine.

 

[49-blues]

What size valves are they?will these be good for a S2 street motor? Let me know where to send the money or paypal.I already have the springs,etc.any pics? Mytquick87@yahoo.com

 

[Mac in SD]

What size valves are they?will these be good for a S2 street motor? Let me know where to send the money or paypal.I already have the springs,etc.any pics? Mytquick87@yahoo.com

Don't want to completely hijack the thread. I'll PM you.

 

[GNBRETT]

109= best bang for the buck

Stage 1 = a little more money

Stage 2 = your house, your wife, your entire bank account, loans, bankruptcy!!!

Wat he said...:tongue:

 

[Mac in SD]

And a Stage II FI intake!

No worries on the heads Mac, just do not want to hear about how stage II heads are only worth $400.00 when i go to sell my stuff!:tongue:
I have a good $2000 in mine.

No doubt. Good porting costs big bucks.

Hey - we're just yakkin'.

 

[BLACK MAGIC RACING]

Mac in SD- I LL take a set of S2 heads and TD rockers for $600. Let me know when you can ship.

X2!!!!!

 

[Grumpy]

I have a stage 2 sittin here on the floor.. Been there for 8/9 years .. So they are worth something or they are NOT

 

[BLACK MAGIC RACING]

I have a stage 2 sittin here on the floor.. Been there for 8/9 years .. So they are worth something or they are NOT

No, not really, but im a nice guy, so i won't charge you to haul it away.

 

[jdpolzin]

No, not really, but im a nice guy, so i won't charge you to haul it away.

Haha no kidding! I guess all this Stage 2 hoo raw is a bunch of garbage so if anyone wants to ship it my way, i'll properly dispose of it for you!!!!!

 

[Turbo Indian]

109= best bang for the buck

Stage 1 = a little more money

Stage 2 = your house, your wife, your entire bank account, loans, bankruptcy!!!

TA block= same as Stage II but add second mortgage

 

[geno]

109= best bang for the buck

Stage 1 = a little more money

Stage 2 = your house, your wife, your entire bank account, loans, bankruptcy!!!

Dont forget the pain and suffering waiting for parts LOL

 

[jdpolzin]

Oh god! Thats almost as bad or worse than the cost!

 

[WIKEDV6]

I have under 7K in my stage II long block build; some people have way more into a 109 block. It has taken a while since I started my stage II project... I started in 2003 slowly piecing together all the parts. I didn't want to break my bank or use borrowed money to accomplish my build. I could have finished it much sooner but that is another whole different story.
Mostly, I got all good used parts along with the few new parts. I also did a lot of wheeling and dealing. Obviously one of the first things I got was the block and the crank; there were no cheap Chinese cranks available at the time.


This is a stroker 274 cube on center motor (4.020 bore)

Stage II on center block $500 (traded a used 70 turbo that needed a rebuild and a down pipe setup. I had $500 in it)
BMS used wide journal 3.59crank $1500 (The most expensive part so far)
Carrillo Rods used set $300 (Used)
Diamond pistons $700 with the coatings (New)
Machine shop $1200 (bore, balance, heads and bearings)
Stage II heads and T&D rockers, valve covers $700 (real nice heads with 45cc chambers)
Stage II cam, solid lifters, push rods and springs $700 (cam and springs are new)
On center converted intake $400 (used)
Stage II headers $500 (I got really lucky here)
BHJ balance $100 (used)
JW fly wheel $50.00 (used)
External single stage pump, deep pan $450 (used)
Sold the odd fire crank and rods that came with the block -$400
Gear drive setup$100 (used)
Head studs $50 (used)
The short block was assembled by my buddies and I with the overseeing and guidance of Odell Contrell ( I may have the spelling wrong on the last name)

On hand I have 70 mm TB, 160 lbs injectors and a sequential fast system along with a 76 Q trim turbo as well as a GT42/76. (All from wheeling and dealing)

I am very close, I want to get everything that I can powder/jet hot coated, I need head gaskets and I am going with a distributor setup. I am not looking to light world on fire low 10’s and maybe 9.90 time slip. I am also going with E85.


I also want to say that without some of the standup members on this board like OC , Mike Booher and few others I wouldn’t have gotten this far. All the great advise as well as locating/buying parts from them made this possible.

This is my story and I am sticking to it!!!

Prasad

 

[Nasty Wendy]

I have under 7K in my stage II long block build; some people have way more into a 109 block. It has taken a while since I started my stage II project... I started in 2003 slowly piecing together all the parts. I didn't want to break my bank or use borrowed money to accomplish my build. I could have finished it much sooner but that is another whole different story.
Mostly, I got all good used parts along with the few new parts. I also did a lot of wheeling and dealing. Obviously one of the first things I got was the block and the crank; there were no cheap Chinese cranks available at the time.


This is a stroker 274 cube on center motor (4.020 bore)

Stage II on center block $500 (traded a used 70 turbo that needed a rebuild and a down pipe setup. I had $500 in it)
BMS used wide journal 3.59crank $1500 (The most expensive part so far)
Carrillo Rods used set $300 (Used)
Diamond pistons $700 with the coatings (New)
Machine shop $1200 (bore, balance, heads and bearings)
Stage II heads and T&D rockers, valve covers $700 (real nice heads with 45cc chambers)
Stage II cam, solid lifters, push rods and springs $700 (cam and springs are new)
On center converted intake $400 (used)
Stage II headers $500 (I got really lucky here)
BHJ balance $100 (used)
JW fly wheel $50.00 (used)
External single stage pump, deep pan $450 (used)
Sold the odd fire crank and rods that came with the block -$400
Gear drive setup$100 (used)
Head studs $50 (used)
The short block was assembled by my buddies and I with the overseeing and guidance of Odell Contrell ( I may have the spelling wrong on the last name)

On hand I have 70 mm TB, 160 lbs injectors and a sequential fast system along with a 76 Q trim turbo as well as a GT42/76. (All from wheeling and dealing)

I am very close, I want to get everything that I can powder/jet hot coated, I need head gaskets and I am going with a distributor setup. I am not looking to light world on fire low 10’s and maybe 9.90 time slip. I am also going with E85.


I also want to say that without some of the standup members on this board like OC , Mike Booher and few others I wouldn’t have gotten this far. All the great advise as well as locating/buying parts from them made this possible.

This is my story and I am sticking to it!!!

Prasad

Not bad Bro'ham. Where did you get your cam? You've done DANG good so far. I am not quite as complete as you but if keep my money spending pace we will be neck & neck at the finish of our engines. I hope to pick up a few pieces in Bowling Green this year. So far I'm into mine for:

◙153 block w/crossbolted front&rears
◙BMS 3.59 crank std wide journal (did they make these in narrow journal?)
◙Oliver 6.5" Rods
◙Wisco Pistons
◙ATI Balancer
◙All machine work done by Duttweiller and ready for assembly
──────────
$3000 Thanks BigStu.

◙I'm using Champion heads that I was running on my 109. Sent them in to Tom to have them fully race ported, converted to 14 bolt, freshened up and new springs for roller cam.
◙T&D Roller Rockers 1.65 w/pedestals *Pedestals New rockers used
◙Champion oncenter Intake w/light portwork & Stud kit for 14bolt Champions *Used from Burhead!
──────────
$3300

◙Neutral balanced stock flywheel from Weber Racing
──────────
$160

What I need now is a cam, oil pump, & timing set.....of course that just for the engine. There is also the transmission/rear end/suspension.

 

[WIKEDV6]

Not bad Bro'ham. Where did you get your cam? You've done DANG good so far. I am not quite as complete as you but if keep my money spending pace we will be neck & neck at the finish of our engines. I hope to pick up a few pieces in Bowling Green this year. So far I'm into mine for:

◙153 block w/crossbolted front&rears
◙BMS 3.59 crank std wide journal (did they make these in narrow journal?)
◙Oliver 6.5" Rods
◙Wisco Pistons
◙ATI Balancer
◙All machine work done by Duttweiller and ready for assembly
──────────
$3000 Thanks BigStu.

◙I'm using Champion heads that I was running on my 109. Sent them in to Tom to have them fully race ported, converted to 14 bolt, freshened up and new springs for roller cam.
◙T&D Roller Rockers 1.65 w/pedestals *Pedestals New rockers used
◙Champion oncenter Intake w/light portwork & Stud kit for 14bolt Champions *Used from Burhead!
──────────
$3300

◙Neutral balanced stock flywheel from Weber Racing
──────────
$160

What I need now is a cam, oil pump, & timing set.....of course that just for the engine. There is also the transmission/rear end/suspension.

PM sent!