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theCATman

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I'm seriously thinking of alcohol injection. I have a few questions though.

1. Is a new MAP sensor needed? I see the Razors kit offers one for an added fee.

2. Can denatured alcohol or a 50/50 water mix be used? Denatured can be bought at any harware store or Wal-Mart for that matter making it easy to get.

3. What boost levels are you alky users using. My car is mostly on the street, with a couple trips to the track.

I ask this question so I can tell Eric what boost level for the chip.

Thanks in advance to all.
 
I use Razor's kit and like it alot.
I have never had a problem with it.
I run about 22# on a TE60 Turbo.(can run up to about 26#)
I run methanol.(No Mix)
Get it you'll like it!:D
 
After having it on the car it would be such a drag if I had to run without it for some reason. I can't recall the exact reason you need the map sensor, it's scaled differently than the stock one or something like that. Most people on pure 93 octane are limited to probably around 17psi or so on average. With zero tuning on my end, out of the box I'm running 26-27 psi on 93 and 100 percent denatured alcohol, no knock. The only "problem" is that it's one more thing to think about before you go for a drive and yes of course there is a greater chance of breaking something or something going wrong at high boost like that. That said, the car is an animal like this, and even with my mild combo in my sig, it's faster than a stock 22 year old motor should be :D Get razor's kit, have Eric set you up with a chip and then start buying stock in the tire company of your choice. :biggrin:
 
Yes 3 Bar map is required, the map is what ramps up alcohol volume as boost goes up. Methanol is far cheaper than the denatured you can find at hardware stores, last I paid for it was $4.25 from the VP racing guy. FMIC, RJC plate, low timing (like 17 degrees) all I could manage was 17psi. Added some methanol & I now run around 23 degrees and 28psi;) Only thing I did when I got to the track for times in sig was to lower tire pressure! Be warned, METH IS ADDICTIVE:cool:
 
+1 on all the above. a few other things. 100% meth is cheap and if you buy 5 gallons of it, it will last a long time. also as far as boost. turn it up to where you fell safe. i have run my old motor to 28psi. would i run it that high on a factory motor with 16,000 miles NO. would i run it that high on a motor with 60,000 YES. thats just me. Then again i do have a factory motor lying around but i just dont like pushing that much boost on 91 octane regardless of alky. when i run it over 20 i like to put atleast some 110 in it to keep a cushin
 
I'm seriously thinking of alcohol injection. I have a few questions though.

1. Is a new MAP sensor needed? I see the Razors kit offers one for an added fee. YES get the 3 bar that comes with the kit

2. Can denatured alcohol or a 50/50 water mix be used? Denatured can be bought at any harware store or Wal-Mart for that matter making it easy to get. 20ish bucks will get you 5 gallons of Methanol that will last several months and be alot easier to tune
3. What boost levels are you alky users using. My car is mostly on the street, with a couple trips to the track. I run 24 psi, IMO the avg is around 22-24

I ask this question so I can tell Eric what boost level for the chip.



Thanks in advance to all.

:cool:
 
Can't say enough about it!!
Get it and prepare to smile.
Denatured will do fine but is very expensive. Use it until you find a source for methanol.

Bryan
 
everyone else nailed it...go 100% meth. The kit is awesome...installation went smooth (just read instructions a few times before starting). I literally plugged everything up out of the box and the left the TT chip on factory settings and it ran great. I've added a degree of timing in 1st and 2nd now and I'm on 25psi with 93 octane.
 
1. Is a new MAP sensor needed? I see the Razors kit offers one for an added fee. - Yes

2. Can denatured alcohol or a 50/50 water mix be used? Denatured can be bought at any harware store or Wal-Mart for that matter making it easy to get. - Denatured alcohol will work. But as others have suggested, I would try finding a good source for meth.

3. What boost levels are you alky users using. My car is mostly on the street, with a couple trips to the track. - Roghly 21-22# on the stock turbo... And it's soooo much fun! :D
 
MAP=Manifold Air Pressure
Factory MAP on the Buick with analog dash is a 2 bar. So the guage can read up to 15 PSI. Meaning anything higher than 15 PSI the sensor cannot read. Like driving 90 on an 85 MPH speedo.

The kits use a 3 bar that reads up to 30 PSI.

What this means, if your at 20 PSI boost and your boost increases to 24 PSI boost.. the 3 bar MAP sensor sends a higher voltage signal.. the alky controller sees the increase.. and spins the pump harder. So as the boost rises the pressure rises. This makes tuning on the Buick a piece of cake.

And yes on Methanol. Find a source.. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/alcohol-nitrous-propane-tech/121500-methanol-sources.html
 
Another plus of the Alkycontrol kit on my car is the ability to make more power on 93 oct. and meth without a monster engine build-up.
 
Sometimes you luck out with methanol sources. I have a friend who runs methanol in his bracket racer. I fixed his laptop and got 5 gallons out of the deal. :)
 
You can run our kit with straight meth. You dont need to mix it. You can mix it if you want but you dont have to. We do recommend using a lube. Klotz is what we used in our race car and its what we mix in the methanol we put it vehicles here.

Our kit needs some sort of pressure input. You can use a GM 2 bar or 3 bar MAP and we have some other pressure sensors that are compatible with the system as well. For your application, a GM 3 bar would be fine.

We usually shoot for 24-25 PSI on pump gas with the systems we do in house.
 
Jay,
The Aquatec pump also uses Santoprene like the Shurflo does on its diaphram. The Santoprene doesnt react well with petroleum products.

The top lube is needed on EFI style pumps. Just not on these.

I agree straight meth is the way to go on these kits with the Buicks.
 
Jay,
The Aquatec pump also uses Santoprene like the Shurflo does on its diaphram. The Santoprene doesnt react well with petroleum products.

The top lube is needed on EFI style pumps. Just not on these.

I agree straight meth is the way to go on these kits with the Buicks.

Thats interesting.. Ill have to talk to the people we get our pumps from about that. Thanks for the info :)
 
Jay,
The Aquatec pump also uses Santoprene like the Shurflo does on its diaphram. The Santoprene doesnt react well with petroleum products.

The top lube is needed on EFI style pumps. Just not on these.

I agree straight meth is the way to go on these kits with the Buicks.

your really too kind Razor, sharing that not only for saving the seller but knowing you personally you did it to mainly save the customer I bet. This is why you are the mother trucking man, mad respect! I am coming to FL this winter whats going down? PM you about my trip soon, I hope all is well, my momma has some southern home cooking ready for you this time around, smoked steaks dinner if your in town and your down.

I have the dualyalky kit, the product works hands down. And the DAILY support from Razor makes your customers feel recognition, and growth through the achievement of the work itself. Razor has some of the best customer service in this buick world without question. Him and Cal are pretty much the leaders and pioneers of customer service for the betterment of the community and not just themselves. Get this kit, never look back, and hold on boost is surely addicting. Make sure you also figure in the sense that all other parts being solid, more boost breaks more things so just be ready to tackle more issues once you demand more power for your baby.

peace

I'm seriously thinking of alcohol injection. I have a few questions though.

1. Is a new MAP sensor needed? I see the Razors kit offers one for an added fee.

2. Can denatured alcohol or a 50/50 water mix be used? Denatured can be bought at any harware store or Wal-Mart for that matter making it easy to get.

3. What boost levels are you alky users using. My car is mostly on the street, with a couple trips to the track.

I ask this question so I can tell Eric what boost level for the chip.

Thanks in advance to all.

1. yup
2. yes it could work but just use meth
3. 20-24 psi on cali 91 on a t66
4. always look into going FAST, classics can be had for under $1000
 
Jay,
The Aquatec pump also uses Santoprene like the Shurflo does on its diaphram. The Santoprene doesnt react well with petroleum products.

The top lube is needed on EFI style pumps. Just not on these.

I agree straight meth is the way to go on these kits with the Buicks.


I talked to our supplier and their pumps do not have Santoproene diaphrams. They did initially use them but have gone to another material.

They said lubricant would not be an issue and they had tested the pumps with methanol with lubricant already added to it and it had been trouble free.
 
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