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If he wants to start a fund i will paypal him $$$ to come out. however i don't think we can come up with 10K.

I think you have the best possible offer on the table. Him offering you 10K just to go out there and line them up is a hell of a offer.

Just let me know when and were to be to see this race ;)
I think you missed the point of my original challenge. Tony feels that I should be doing better on my track. He claims that difficult tracks are not a problem for him. I asked him to come out and show me how it's done. He said, put your money where your mouth is. I then did. We argued about some terms and Tony wanted to go back to the original challenge. He even quoted that challenge to me. I let him know that would be fine then.
I simply can't afford to bring him out. If I had the spare chunk of change to do that, I certainly would bring him out, just so I could wipe the track with his big mouth.
If people really want to see this happen so bad, they're going to have to help Tony get out this way. I want him on my track first, and I want him to be the first for this new motor.
I want this new motor to be able to say to its kids, big mouth Tony was my first.
 
I think you missed the point of my original challenge. Tony feels that I should be doing better on my track. He claims that difficult tracks are not a problem to him. I asked him to come out and show me how it's done. He said, put your money where your mouth is. I then did. We argued about some terms and Tony wanted to go back to the original challenge. He even quoted that challenge to me. I let him know that would be fine then.
I simply can't afford to bring him out. If I had the spare chunk of change to do that, I certainly would bring him out, just so I could wipe the track with his big mouth.
If people really want to see this happen so bad, they're going to have to help Tony get out this way. I want him on my track first, and I want him to be the first for this new motor.
I want this new motor to be able to say to its kids, big mouth Tony was my first.

Edit: I changed my mind ...donnie, since you can't scrape up more than 500 dollars to expect me to go out there is unrealistic. I accepted your challenge but told you your offer needed to be much higher. Your response to me was what would I be willing to put up I told you 10,000 considering the distance I thought it was more than fair. This is obviously a figure that you can't finacially handle. So if want this to happen it's in your court not up to MY friends to raise the money...... You made the challenge I accepted but asked you to raise the pot.. You can't it's that simple .
 
Since this thread no longer has any technical information, I have decided to take it off my watch list. I will now get back to my rocker geometry calculations...
 
Ahh, so there it is. You are going to hide behind the $500 amount? I'm pretty sure Tony never agreed to that, that's why you raised it to $1000 and Tony said make it $10,000. Depending on what you offer for travel, it doesn't appear like you want to race him has much as he wants to race you.

Posted yesterday. It's like I'm a psychic or something....:D
 
Since this thread no longer has any technical information, I have decided to take it off my watch list. I will now get back to my rocker geometry calculations...

It's always been a little lacking in that area, but it sure makes up for it in entertainment value :p
 
Edit: I changed my mind ...donnie, since you can't scrape up more than 500 dollars to expect me to go out there is unrealistic. I accepted your challenge but told you your offer needed to be much higher. Your response to me was what would I be willing to put up I told you 10,000 considering the distance I thought it was more than fair. This is obviously a figure that you can't finacially handle. So if want this to happen it's in your court not up to MY friends to raise the money...... You made the challenge I accepted but asked you to raise the pot.. You can't it's that simple .
I thought so. Nothing but bench, circle J racing from you guys. Sorry 500 wasn't enough.
 
all rite Donnie, I have no problem acceppting your original challenge at your track. But I can not do it for 500 dollars it's a min $4000 for me to bring my car there. Just we are all clear here you want me to spend 4000 dollars to win 500 and still lose 3500 or if I lose I lose 4000 dollars and if you win you profit 500 and at worse you lose 500. Is this true yes or no ?

This is exactly why he felt comfortable talking the smack and making the challenge in the first place. He knew anyone in their right mind wouldn't drag their junk across the country to race for $500. At least he's honest about not having the funds.
 
Tony, I'm going to admit something to you. I don't have the money to help you out that way. I'm pushing it with 500. I'm still scraping up money to put my car together. If you really want to show me how it's done, you're going to have to get some help from all your eager buddies to get out here.

Donnie, I appreciate your honesty here. Maybe, we can get a few guys to put some money together and still make this happen.
 
Since this thread no longer has any technical information, I have decided to take it off my watch list. I will now get back to my rocker geometry calculations...
I really don't plan on sharing anymore technical stuff here, anyway. I think you all have made it very clear that I've been wasting my time here. I know others have told me the same. I guess I should have listened to them.
See you at the track. ;)
 
but seriously i think we all new it was over before it stated there is a clear winner here is,






























sorry Tony, but
Sim for the Win
how do you call someone out, and then call them bench, circle j racing when your cars not running? :confused:
 
but seriously i think we all new it was over before it stated there is a clear winner here is,






























sorry Tony, but
Sim for the Win
how do you call someone out, and then call them bench, circle j racing when your cars not running? :confused:
You're a smart guy. I have faith that you'll figure it out.
 
I looked up poser and your picture came up Donnie;) We dont hate you or at least i dont but you are a hard guy to understand. You just have a high opinion of yourself i guess and let your pride get the best of you.That east coast comment might make people hate you..
 
I looked up poser and your picture came up Donnie;) We dont hate you or at least i dont but you are a hard guy to understand. You just have a high opinion of yourself i guess and let your pride get the best of you.That east coast comment might make people hate you..



Thats funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

I looked up BUTTINSKI, ...........

AND YOUR NAME CAME UP, GENO !!!!!!! along with a few others ( from the EAST COAST!)
 
Thats funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

I looked up BUTTINSKI, ...........

AND YOUR NAME CAME UP, GENO !!!!!!! along with a few others ( from the EAST COAST!)
I live in Washington State not exactly (East Coast) Do you have a problem with me or somethingo_O ? Or im i just taking that wrong:) Maybe your Dons friend and im sorry if i came across like a ass but you have to admit Don is a little abrasive sometimes and can rub people the wrong way.
 
I live in Washington State not exactly (East Coast) Do you have a problem with me or somethingo_O ? Or im i just taking that wrong:) Maybe your Dons friend and im sorry if i came across like a ass but you have to admit Don is a little abrasive sometimes and can rub people the wrong way.

Actually I admire your car! and its capability!
Don't know you personally, so no comment on that.

it seems there are alot of folks who want to get in on the abuse on this posting.
and its none of anyone business EXCEPT DON AND TONY !!
all the others should butt out!

Yes, I am a friend of Don's! I feel his work is second to NONE!

I've seen 1st hand the ability's of some of the players here, some are very impressive!
others .....well, not so much!

I will continue to support Donnie, he is always willing to help others, and his thinking is about
a month ahead of most of the so called experts here.
I've been playing "Buicks" for quite a while, and it's very obvious
of the east vs west issue.
but "boys will be boys"
 
Actually I admire your car! and its capability!
Don't know you personally, so no comment on that.

it seems there are alot of folks who want to get in on the abuse on this posting.
and its none of anyone business EXCEPT DON AND TONY !!
all the others should butt out!

Yes, I am a friend of Don's! I feel his work is second to NONE!

I've seen 1st hand the ability's of some of the players here, some are very impressive!
others .....well, not so much!

I will continue to support Donnie, he is always willing to help others, and his thinking is about
a month ahead of most of the so called experts here.
I've been playing "Buicks" for quite a while, and it's very obvious
of the east vs west issue.
but "boys will be boys"

With all due respect, if others should butt out why are you butting in ?
Question I have for you is, you Mentioned don's work is second to non
does he brag to you that he is the best ? or is he humble when you say thank you ?
 
Well, I'm not going to end up lining up against a tube framed creation, so forget it. Tony can't be trusted that way.
Well Tony, you missed out on making 10,000 dollars, and getting to vacation in Cali. Too bad.

OHHH donnie, can you explain this, how did i miss out on making 10,000 dollars, when did you offer it ? when did I turn down the 10,000 dollars that i could have made ?
 
I'm not calling anyone any names, or demeaning anyone.
I'm commenting on the fact that a few wanna bee's have to interject their 2 cents.
this is between you and Don.
I've NEVER heard Donnie brag, EVER! he is a teacher, he will always take time to explain, what ,why .
he has helped many ,many buick owners, (and other's too)
he will explain to you what is wrong and what it should have to be right.

I'd like to see this race, but on more friendly terms.
I think the "mad scientist" may surprise you!
 
OHHH donnie, can you explain this, how did i miss out on making 10,000 dollars, when did you offer it ? when did I turn down the 10,000 dollars that i could have made ?
I've already explained it. Go back and research it. You've always been good at that with my threads. I'm surprised you missed it. There was a time window where I would have gone for it depending on your next responce, and you blew it. That was when I knew you'd simply figure out any way possible to wiggle out of having to do this. I had asked the lady to dance for the last time, and you blew it.
 
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