Anyone work at a Chryslser dealership here?

[Turbo6Smackdown]

Need someone that works at a mechanic at a Chrysler dealership here. Want to know UNEQUIVOCALLY, if they scan the pcm for changes when you turn in a lease. Thinking of having the throttle ramp rates changed, along with a litle timing increase maybe. And no I don't mean will they see the different values, because I will obviously have that changed back. I want to know if they view the little reflash counter thing that lets you know how many times the pcm was flashed.

 

[TexasT]

Need someone that works at a mechanic at a Chrysler dealership here. Want to know UNEQUIVOCALLY, if they scan the pcm for changes when you turn in a lease. Thinking of having the throttle ramp rates changed, along with a litle timing increase maybe. And no I don't mean will they see the different values, because I will obviously have that changed back. I want to know if they view the little reflash counter thing that lets you know how many times the pcm was flashed.

What are the chances? They surely don't have time for all that if you bring it back clean. Rubber all over the quarters and fender wells and the trans slipping, then I could see it.

Then let's say they do scan it, what are they going to do? Not like they have evidence of what you did to it.

 

[GullsGN]

The guys on my other board for Challengers don't view this as a problem. They routinely use tuners like Predator and Trinity to change the tune on the cars and turn the tune back to stock when having service or warranty work done. They say it is not detectable. They have been doing it for years. In the two years I have been on that board I have not read of a single problem.

 

[John Larkin]

What Challenger board? I am on challengertalk but it is only good for very limited info. Most of them are still under warranty and aftermarket is fairly limited from what I see. Not many folks there have gone nuts on their cars yet.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

I'm leaning torwards no, but I want to cover my backside in case something bad happens; for instance say something blows up in the car, having zero connection to the pcm, but they scan it anyways just as part of their diagnostics, and they find it had a reflash on it. They may try and use that against me. Not saying they will but I just want to be prepared for anything.
As far as the Challenger guys, (and most other newer cars) when you reflash the pcm back to stock, that part is indeed undetectable. But that's not what they look for; they look at their reflash counter. It's locked and un changeable. If it says 2, or 3, or 4 reflashes, and it's a brand new car, and the piston or valve is burned, or the head gasket's smoked a little, guess what they're going to do... I'm just trying to cover my ass.

 

[pdzz]

I know nothing about Dodge dealers, but, at GM, if the vehicle comes in with a failure, we have to print out calibration numbers. They can tell if they have been tampered with, even if its put back to a "stock cal". This usually occurs in the diesel trucks, LS powered vehicles. I've never had to use it personally, have ran cal numbers against GM listed numbers, on a vehicle, came out with a good number. Personally, if the mileage is good, they won't bother looking. Phil.

 

[GullsGN]

What Challenger board? I am on challengertalk but it is only good for very limited info. Most of them are still under warranty and aftermarket is fairly limited from what I see. Not many folks there have gone nuts on their cars yet.

Here you go, John. Dodge Challenger Forum - Forums and Owners Club!
I am GullsHemi on that board.

 

[trixdout]

The only dealers that give a problem about the reflashes are the Subaru dealers that deal with the STi's that come in for cracked ringlands. From 2007-2012,those 2.5L sti motors have problems with cracking the rings. The dealers have been trying very which way to not get the repair, anywhere from ecu reflashes to parts looking too new. Look it up on the nasioc.com forums.

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[kurt24]

My cousin is a mechanic at a Chrysler dealer I can give him a text to find out. I know with my F150 ecoboost they can see everything that is done with the ecu

 

[kurt24]

I texted him and he has never done it or heard about checking on lease turn in. He was going to ask a few other techs to see if they ever have done it

 

[Steve V]

I know nothing about Dodge dealers, but, at GM, if the vehicle comes in with a failure, we have to print out calibration numbers. They can tell if they have been tampered with, even if its put back to a "stock cal". This usually occurs in the diesel trucks, LS powered vehicles. I've never had to use it personally, have ran cal numbers against GM listed numbers, on a vehicle, came out with a good number. Personally, if the mileage is good, they won't bother looking. Phil.

Every warranty motor swap I've done they(PQC) want pics of the cal numbers before they pay the claim.

 

[pdzz]

Every warranty motor swap I've done they(PQC) want pics of the cal numbers before they pay the claim.

Yep..

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

I texted him and he has never done it or heard about checking on lease turn in. He was going to ask a few other techs to see if they ever have done it

Even on ecu's that have been returned to factory stock?

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

Every warranty motor swap I've done they(PQC) want pics of the cal numbers before they pay the claim.

Which cal numbers? The actual calibration or the NUMBER of times it has been changed?

 

[kurt24]

He asked the other techs and they all said they have never checked the ecu after a lease turn in. Now like Steve V said. They do check the ecu if there is a motor problem. So I guess it all depends on what you want to take your chances with.

 

[williamsGN]

If you blow it up, warranty may be an issue. But if you turn it in after lease, unless there is terminology in the lease specifically saying you can't mod the ECU, what can they do ?

 

[we4Mateo]

If you blow it up, warranty may be an issue. But if you turn it in after lease, unless there is terminology in the lease specifically saying you can't mod the ECU, what can they do ?

Exactly! You own it the entire time you are leasing it you simply aren't upside down at the end of your term. You are still financing but only a portion of the vehicle's use. The manufacturer doesn't hold the lease either so why would they care? As long as the leasing company can sell it when you turn it in, you have nothing to worry about.

I run a Chrysler dealership, until this morning anyway , and inspecting the ECM is not part of the normal lease turn in procedure. Only if there is a warranty issue would the manufacturer even need to scan the ECM, and again, the manufacturer is not leasing you the vehicle, even if it's their captive finance arm.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

I see. Very good info. And you run a Dealership? How do you like it?
Now I have to find someone that works on the Pentastar V6... Doesn't seem like there is anyone out there.

 

[we4Mateo]

I see. Very good info. And you run a Dealership? How do you like it?...

Well I put in my letter of resignation yesterday. I'm leaving the auto industry and becoming a financial services advisor for Northwestern Mutual. I like the dealership gig, but I also like being home every night to see my family, so I'm changing careers. The dealer group I work for has been great though, and I'm leaving on very good terms. If my new venture doesn't work, I'm sure I'll be back in automotive retail.

 

[Turbo6Smackdown]

Ah I see. Very good. I wish you well in your new venture.