If they allowed 80's cars in FAST (factory stock appearing)....

[BEATAV8]

A TR has no chance in that class. 132mph is easy in a TSS car, as close to stock appearing but still fast as your going to get IMO. 132mph with a stock intercooler, stock downpipe and elbow, stock air box, stock air tube, stock inlet bell, stock size exhaust

The rules indicate that items such as these must appear stock but do not necesarily have to be stock. For example a 2.5" downpipe would be OK. Bigger than stock but still looks stock.

It will be interesting to see what happens with our new TSR class. The cars definitely will not appear stock but we will find out just how fast we can go on radials.

 

[salvageV6]

14.00 TIRES AND WHEELS AND BRAKES
14.01 Wheels must be correct*, including correct* diameter, width and material.
Note: Width may be upgraded to a maximum of 6”, if the correct* wheel is narrower than that. Reproduction wheels OK.
14.02 All 4 wheels and tires must be same size.
Exception: Mopar TA Challenger came from factory with G-60’s on rear and F-60’s on front.
14.03 Original equipment reproduction bias-ply tires only. No soft compound tires of any kind are allowed. Retread tires are not allowed. Any car is allowed to upgrade to a maximum size tire of G-70 of the correct* wheel diameter. All cars that were originally available with a 60 series tire can upgrade to a maximum size of G-60 tire of the correct* wheel diameter.
Exception: First time F.A.S.T. participants are allowed to run normal ’non-sticky’ street radials for their first F.A.S.T. race.
14.04 Aftermarket or OEM brake upgrades are allowed for safety concerns. Every effort should be made to achieve a stock appearance.
14.05 Line locks are allowed if hidden.



G70's whooowhoooo!!! :biggrin:

The rules weren't designed for fuel injected 1980's FAST cars.

There's gotta be a G70 out there somewhere that will turn into a good sticky tire when you burn the tread off them with your approved line lock. :biggrin:

 

[disco stu]

Yeah, it ain't for us. Fun to dream about how our little sixes would do against the best of classic American muscle though.

 

[bison]

Bison,

Are you saying we couldn't make the power and we couldn't hook with them? The website shows the fastest Ford is only trapping 132. Seems like reasonable territory for a not-so-fancy 109 stroker motor with iron heads.

We should be able to hook to within at least a few tenths. Heck I can pull a 1.91 with 225 Eagle GTII's without even trying. The website shows their fastest Ford is pulling 1.6's with obvious massive weight transfer.

But yes we would need a "TA" series appearing turbo that could do it and that the rules would allow....

And think of the tricks we could pull using even the stock ECM... like less boost in 1st gear just to keep the tires from being torched on the launch, and speed density programming instead of using a real MAF...

Only 132mph with a stock appearing car? Very few have hit 130 on here with their highly moddifed and almost totally non stock appearing combos. Im saying you wont make anywhere near the power or have anywhere near the traction. The 60 foot times of top FAST are in the mid 1.50's and they are much better tire cars than TR's. Less boost in first? What about 2nd and 3rd? To be competitive the TR would need about 600hp. Not going to hook that with 215 standard radial tires. Even at 90+ mph it will blow the tires off if not careful.

 

[bison]

And E85 fuel or race gas so you dont have all of the Alky kit crap all over the engiine bay. How about a DuttNeck IC? I doubt anybody would notice the difference.

No doubt you will be bulding around the highest octane you can get so you can run the most timing possible. Like i already said these engines are not cheap. Thousands of hrs of R&D. This class is so expensive its almost a novelty. You can bet your boys they would will notice. They will scrutinize everything.

 

[bison]

Yes but how many TR have run 132mph through a stock air filter housing and the factory turbo hose?

Better question is how many TR owners have run 132+ regardless of engine mods and non stock appearing? Not too many.

 

[bison]

Whats the fastest anyone here has gone on gatorbacks?

I went 12.40 about 11 years ago with the stock turbo. Then with the same tune on the same day i went 11.88 with 28x9 slicks. Gatorbacks suck big balls imo.

 

[BEATAV8]

Only 132mph with a stock appearing car? Very few have hit 130 on here with their highly moddifed and almost totally non stock appearing combos. Im saying you wont make anywhere near the power or have anywhere near the traction. The 60 foot times of top FAST are in the mid 1.50's and they are much better tire cars than TR's. Less boost in first? What about 2nd and 3rd? To be competitive the TR would need about 600hp. Not going to hook that with 215 standard radial tires. Even at 90+ mph it will blow the tires off if not careful.

Ya I think your right, launching it with a 1.6 60ft with a bald or shaved radial and lots of weight transfer might be easy enough, but keeping it under control after that would be a chore. It's just that when I look at my old iron head motor with so much stock stuff on it running 130mph I can't help but think about "what if"...

 

[Mike Licht]

When I worked for Ramchargers we sponsored the F.A.S.T. race for a bit and Dave Dudek let me drive his old hemi Challenger which was the king at that time. He showed me some of the tricks and things that were done to that car and let me tell you you have no chance with a turbo buick the way the rules are written.
Mike

 

[novaderrik]

if they allowed 80's cars in that class, i think the 5.0 Mustangs would do better than the TR's would- especially the 84 to early 86 cars that came stock with Holley 4 barrel carbs and real dual exhaust. i think there are stroker kits to take a stock 5.0 block out to close to 400", and there are some guys that are really good at porting those heads out.

 

[Dusty Bradford]

The TR's would get their butt's kicked. Running 130mph with a iron head motor is one thing........doing it with a stock MAF, stock air filter housing, stock inlet hose, stock inlet bell, stock style downpipe, stock intercooler is totally different.

There's a reason the big dogs are all big blocks. You can make a 500+ci engine look stock and make big power. Our little motors get their power from the turbo. When your method of power is choked on the inlet and outlet it becomes a severe restriction.

 

[SGRIM]

Why do you think the TSA class was invented:biggrin:

I wouldn't say it is "impossible." May just cost you a ton of money for the right turbo

 

[bison]

Id bet that top FAST racers spend many many hrs removing as much weight from the front of the car while retaining the stock appearing look only to ballast the rear to be of legitimate weight. Id also bet they have it down to ounces of weight per quarter. They have looked at everything many times over.

 

[bison]

It's just that when I look at my old iron head motor with so much stock stuff on it running 130mph I can't help but think about "what if"...

Then you would be comparing it to a super stocker like this: Bucky Hess Sets New Super Stock Hemi Record - VidoEmo - Emotional Video Unity

130mph. Lol

 

[BEATAV8]

130mph. Lol

Oh come on you know what I'm talking about. stock block / heads / intake etc... other than that, yeah it don't look too stock... 130mph was so 2008

 

[LSTTYPE]

If turbo regals could be allowed, then why not the 03-04 cobras

 

[Dusty Bradford]

I've tried cramming as much air as I could through a bone stock intercooler with a ported neck. It would barely go 120mph. Of course this was before I did much of my converter testing so that was with a decent converter. I'm sure there would be a couple more mph with today's tech.

 

[bison]

I've tried cramming as much air as I could through a bone stock intercooler with a ported neck. It would barely go 120mph. Of course this was before I did much of my converter testing so that was with a decent converter. I'm sure there would be a couple more mph with today's tech.

Dusty did you ever try 3.08 gears and try lowering the shift point a few hundred rpm? Id run a 29" slick but ts not allowed in FAST. Im curious if it would pick up mph since the pressure drop across the intercooler would be a lot less if we can keep the rpm down. It would take a lot of compression and a small roller cam (preferably solid) to get it done and the traction would have to be really good. If we had a converter that would flash to 4400 or so and a cam that matched the flash speed we might be able to gear it to hit around 130mph. Boost would need to be really high.

 

[Dusty Bradford]

Dusty did you ever try 3.08 gears and try lowering the shift point a few hundred rpm? Id run a 29" slick but ts not allowed in FAST. Im curious if it would pick up mph since the pressure drop across the intercooler would be a lot less if we can keep the rpm down. It would take a lot of compression and a small roller cam (preferably solid) to get it done and the traction would have to be really good. If we had a converter that would flash to 4400 or so and a cam that matched the flash speed we might be able to gear it to hit around 130mph. Boost would need to be really high.

It would be interesting to try. I like the idea of Richards class (and gracious payout) to help motivate people to see how fast they can go.

I never tried anything really other than bolting a stock intercooler on a TSS car and seeing how fast it would go. The backpressure had to be WAY up there as it blew out my crossover pipe after several passes. I really had the turbo cranked up trying to see how much boost I could make. The biggest gain came from lowering the boost a couple psi and adding timing.

I do feel the tech out there now could put a stock intercooler car in the mid 120's. But as alot of us saw at Richards shop, the stock air hose and MAF sensor is a pretty large restriction in getting air into the turbo. That may be a killer. Your right, since the car isn't going to make a lot of boost, the engine would need more compression. All this is just to get the car to mph in the mid 120's. Getting the car to launch on the small tires would be an entirely other area. The 3.08 gears would help with the launch but the car would be down on power so pulling that extra gear up top would be tough. Airflow across the intercooler will cause the psi drop whether it's by RPM or by trying to force more boost into the engine.

 

[turbofabricator]

Remove all the internal fins inside the intercooler and it will significantly improve flow, but also decrease efficiency. There would be no way to see that mod with out a borescope. With the right fuel, the intercooler wouldn't be needed. OR.......use the throttle body coolant passage to spray methanol. EDM a bunch of holes through out the throttlebody to look like porosities in the casting. Block the heater tube inlet and outlet, and run the alky pump and tank in the heater box. Add a bit of green food coloring to the alcohol, and wha-la.....it is just anti-freeze (or red for water-wetter) if they tear you down. I considered running in NHRA stock eliminator back in 2000 or so, and had the alky system scienced out pretty well. Sure, it'd be cheatin', but like they say....."Those that don't cheat in Stock Eliminator.......Don't qualify!" Lots of ways to skin a cat. Gapped gaskets between the inlet bell, lightweight parts EVERYWHERE, then add ballast, leaking inlet hose (pin holes through-out) soak tires in VHT, But still VERY hard to compete with 565+cid big blocks.