Please explain the 2-3 modifiation
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I know the dual feed method.
Also, although I personally think Chris is the man when it comes to trannies, most other tranny builders are doing the 2-3 mod in their builds now.
I want to know what the mod is. I know the tranny section is about the most secretive section on the planet because nobody wants to do any tech talk and give anybody else help, but this is a technical section.
There is no reason to have this section if we cant talk tech. I have a tranny I'm building and I want to build it to it's best potential.
Also, although I personally think Chris is the man when it comes to trannies, most other tranny builders are doing the 2-3 mod in their builds now.
I want to know what the mod is. I know the tranny section is about the most secretive section on the planet because nobody wants to do any tech talk and give anybody else help, but this is a technical section.
There is no reason to have this section if we cant talk tech. I have a tranny I'm building and I want to build it to it's best potential.
Wow...
So you want someone to just tell you a mod so you can do it for free when everyone else has paid for it.
You want to steal Chris' hard earned efforts and knowledge.
There has been plenty of tech info given away on this forum but there is also a thing called respect and intellectual property.
I do a 2-3 mod as well but I do it differently than Chris. I sat down with the GM manual, studied the hydraulics and learned a simpler way.
I also figured out how to run fixed lined pressure.
Should I just give the info away?
I make my living doing transmissions and I spend hundreds of hours on R&D and some guy who doesn't have the knowledge or isn't willing to spend that time should just be given it?
Sounds like a damn good example of what’s wrong with society today.
So you want someone to just tell you a mod so you can do it for free when everyone else has paid for it.
You want to steal Chris' hard earned efforts and knowledge.
There has been plenty of tech info given away on this forum but there is also a thing called respect and intellectual property.
I do a 2-3 mod as well but I do it differently than Chris. I sat down with the GM manual, studied the hydraulics and learned a simpler way.
I also figured out how to run fixed lined pressure.
Should I just give the info away?
I make my living doing transmissions and I spend hundreds of hours on R&D and some guy who doesn't have the knowledge or isn't willing to spend that time should just be given it?
Sounds like a damn good example of what’s wrong with society today.
Whatever dude, do you not pop your hood at car shows either?
We all talk tech about how we build our motors, can we not do it with trannies either?
I suppose i should stop giving advice in the Brake/Suspension section. Like Bison did, I'll retire too. I guess I'm a no good piece of doodoo bad person in this society for wanting info.
We all talk tech about how we build our motors, can we not do it with trannies either?
I suppose i should stop giving advice in the Brake/Suspension section. Like Bison did, I'll retire too. I guess I'm a no good piece of doodoo bad person in this society for wanting info.
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Not to add any fuel to a potential firestorm here, but you really do not comprehend the entire picture of this situation.
First, the few vendors and small businesses that do turbo Buick work make a very small profit, if any, for their work and products. Add in the crap we have to endure from un-informed members over stupid comments and abuse we take from them makes one wonder if we should even try to help?
Bad enough some "enterprising" people take our intellectual property and build knock-offs in China, now you are offended that someone will not make public tech info that cost them many hours and $$$$ to develop and refine?
Yes, there is some engine tech info about how to build an engine, but you do not see engine builders posting details of a complete engine build.
First, if I post something relevant about an engine build, some "backyard" expert that built their own engine will dispute that because he did it different, and it is still running.
I know engine builders like DLS, TA Perf, Ken D. and others like myself, will not give out, or publish, tech details unless you buy the engine from them.
The tranny builders have a right to protect their property as do others.
Bottom line is, you should be grateful someone has done this development and testing to make a product do MUCH more than was ever intended, and it is available to you - just pay for it.
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Would you care to explain your statement?
It would be good to know if someone is part of the problem, or part of the solution!
I always try to be part of the solution, and was trying to shed some light on the other side of the discussion to bring it to middle ground.
Would you care to explain your statement?
It would be good to know if someone is part of the problem, or part of the solution!
I always try to be part of the solution, and was trying to shed some light on the other side of the discussion to bring it to middle ground.
No, I would not. I would've made a more specififc statement in my post if I did.
I am not part of the problem nor the solution,just a frequent reader of tech info in this section. I have learned a great deal from Chris,Lonnie,Jake etc in this section and by other means over the years.
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I'd like the recipe to Coke or Pepsi, but don't expect to get it.
Ya,
paying for someones knowledge and expertise is customary.
Its not Napster of the 90s.
A tech question is OK, asking for proprietary info for free is not.
I don't see David Husek, Lonnie, Bruce, or anyone else on here sharing their VB tricks.
I recently GAVE my calibration out.
People like these are why I no longer cater to this community.
paying for someones knowledge and expertise is customary.
Its not Napster of the 90s.
A tech question is OK, asking for proprietary info for free is not.
I don't see David Husek, Lonnie, Bruce, or anyone else on here sharing their VB tricks.
I recently GAVE my calibration out.
People like these are why I no longer cater to this community.
I read the title an saw a lot of replys so I had to "look" 
Nobody wants to do their own thinking anymore. 
I can't tell ya how much time and trans fluid baths I took tryin to fix that problem. NO WAY would I assume the "vendors" would roll over and spill their guts. Come on ..THINK here !! This is how they make their $$$ !!
This is similar to me giving Melissa's old 9 sec set up BUT wouldn't give the Turbo tweak chip tune. There are only so many adjustments you can make on the chip BUT they didn't want to do that an get pissed when I answer "tune for no knock" :biggrin: ahhhhh the net
Nobody wants to do their own thinking anymore. I can't tell ya how much time and trans fluid baths I took tryin to fix that problem. NO WAY would I assume the "vendors" would roll over and spill their guts. Come on ..THINK here !! This is how they make their $$$ !! This is similar to me giving Melissa's old 9 sec set up BUT wouldn't give the Turbo tweak chip tune. There are only so many adjustments you can make on the chip BUT they didn't want to do that an get pissed when I answer "tune for no knock" :biggrin: ahhhhh the net
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How about this: For access to proprietary information, carefully read the non-disclosure statement at the end of the post, then click "I Agree" to accept the EULA. No information contained within, nor any part, may be shared or reproduced under penalty of law. PayPal accepted.
Seriously, most of us do not have the time, training, nor fiscal resources to perform the R&D ourselves. Thus, I am happy to pay those who have spent much time and money to research and develop the products we use in our cars, in the hope that it will help fund further research and development and keep valuable shops in business. Otherwise, who will be left to manufacture products and provide shop services for our cars? R&D is costly and I'd hate to see it dry up, especially for a steadily dwindling market.
"Click here to send payment." :tongue:
How about this: For access to proprietary information, carefully read the non-disclosure statement at the end of the post, then click "I Agree" to accept the EULA. No information contained within, nor any part, may be shared or reproduced under penalty of law. PayPal accepted.
Seriously, most of us do not have the time, training, nor fiscal resources to perform the R&D ourselves. Thus, I am happy to pay those who have spent much time and money to research and develop the products we use in our cars, in the hope that it will help fund further research and development and keep valuable shops in business. Otherwise, who will be left to manufacture products and provide shop services for our cars? R&D is costly and I'd hate to see it dry up, especially for a steadily dwindling market.
"Click here to send payment." :tongue:
Dave the link don't work. :biggrin:
I knew when I posted my simple reply some wouldn't be happy or think it's fair. Like my & many others parents have said, Life's not fair.
I agree, I could figure it out but, as stated above who has that kind of time. The fix is well worth the time & money others have invested.
Todd
I knew when I posted my simple reply some wouldn't be happy or think it's fair. Like my & many others parents have said, Life's not fair.
I agree, I could figure it out but, as stated above who has that kind of time. The fix is well worth the time & money others have invested.
Todd
Not to add any fuel to a potential firestorm here, but you really do not comprehend the entire picture of this situation.
First, the few vendors and small businesses that do turbo Buick work make a very small profit, if any, for their work and products. Add in the crap we have to endure from un-informed members over stupid comments and abuse we take from them makes one wonder if we should even try to help?
Bad enough some "enterprising" people take our intellectual property and build knock-offs in China, now you are offended that someone will not make public tech info that cost them many hours and $$$$ to develop and refine?
Yes, there is some engine tech info about how to build an engine, but you do not see engine builders posting details of a complete engine build.
First, if I post something relevant about an engine build, some "backyard" expert that built their own engine will dispute that because he did it different, and it is still running.
I know engine builders like DLS, TA Perf, Ken D. and others like myself, will not give out, or publish, tech details unless you buy the engine from them.
The tranny builders have a right to protect their property as do others.
Bottom line is, you should be grateful someone has done this development and testing to make a product do MUCH more than was ever intended, and it is available to you - just pay for it.
I have to agree with you Nick. You guys have done the R&D work and it takes time and money to do so. Not everything is free in this life and you do have to pay for knowledge in one way or another. This forum has provided a great place to learn but everything isn't posted for a reason. These guys make a living doing it and deserve the right to keep info secret if they so choose.
I'm sorry to hear this but it's totally understandable Jake.:frown: I do hope you keep coming to the site and offer your knowledge for those of us that are still learning.:redface:
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OK, without asking for trade secrets, what are the modifications designed to do? What is the root problem that these calibration changes are intended to correct?
BTW, there is a wealth of information and excellent tech here! I have spoken with Jake, Chris, Bruce, Dave, Lonnie and others and have learned a great deal. They have always been willing to help solve a problem. There is a big difference between asking for technical information and asking to be given what has taken countless hours and cash to learn.
BTW, there is a wealth of information and excellent tech here! I have spoken with Jake, Chris, Bruce, Dave, Lonnie and others and have learned a great deal. They have always been willing to help solve a problem. There is a big difference between asking for technical information and asking to be given what has taken countless hours and cash to learn.
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Ask Bison. He don't give a chit. He will help you.
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