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9SECVSIX

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A friend has told me he's been advised by several engine builds and a couple hard hitters from the board here that it's OK to use the SOLID roller lifters on the cast roller cams being offerd by Comp and several vendors.
I say NO way........ is he correct:confused: or am I behind the times:confused: I have always used billet roller cams with SOLID roller lifters.
 
Unless they're doing a special hardening process with the cast cams now, I always thought the same as you. Serious roller cams are always high grade material billet, with a particular hardening process on top of that.

The barrel of the cam would also be weaker if heavy spring pressures were in the plan.
 
Hell no.


Who here did the "budget roller cam" tango back in the day? :mad: That is where I see this going.
 
Ive used a bunch of them.. no problems at all.
 
Jay, please clarify, are you saying that you used a bunch of those cams, (austempered),with solid roller lifters and no problems at all?

Sorry.. I shoulda read the thread a little closer.

Yea, I dont think I would do that either but you can still get the billet blank from TA and have someone grind it. About the only downside is lack of a bronze gear but there is a composite one available now.
 
Well,
I've never tried and wouldn't be inclined to just because I don't have the money to do that type of experimenting. (IE: if it trashes an engine I'd be hosed) However, I can't see why it would hurt. I mean, as long as you don't run spring rates higher than you would on the ductile roller with hyd. lifters the cam shouldn't know the difference. Of course, if you're not going to up the spring pressure then why bother. Maybe just for the higher rpm capabilities but as far as that goes if you're going to build an engine that needs a solid lifter cam why not just save the little bit of extra money and step it up to a billet stick?
 
Someone needs to contact Turbo1dr. I thought read where he was running solids on an austemper roller cam. I could be wrong, though.:wink:
 
Sorry.. I shoulda read the thread a little closer.

Yea, I dont think I would do that either but you can still get the billet blank from TA and have someone grind it. About the only downside is lack of a bronze gear but there is a composite one available now.

Jay,
Wouldn't you just need a standard odd-fire timing gear/distributor drive set-up? That is what I always do with a billet roller. Or am I missing something?
 
FYI,many a small block Chevrolet runs cast aka austemeper solid roller cams with solid roller lifters,MANY,MANY,MANY.Look in Jegs and Summit and any solid roller that costs less than $350 is cast.

Havent done it in a Buick but have several thousands of miles on SBC's with cast cams and solid rollers.

And why wouldnt you think a roller cam couldnt take any kind of roller lifter,solid or hydraulic?You guys do know what the differences between hyd rollers and solid rollers right?Has nothing to do with the oiling of the cam and the cams(solid and hyd) have the same ramped up lobe design.

I do not know much about SBC, but have much experience with Buicks.:smile:

First, if you put solid roller lifters in a turbo Buick, it should be to develop more HP running the engine to a much higher RPM range, like over 7000.

Do this with the mandatory hellish high spring pressures on a cast cam, and it will NOT survive for very long.

We, and others, run the 3.8's into the 9's with hydraulic rollers and a "cast" cam, so you so do not need solids to get there.

Second, the ramps on a solid roller cam and a hydraulic roller ARE different, at least in the Buick world they are. You can run a solid roller lifter on a hydraulic billet cam, but you leave some torque and HP on the table.

Third, even a solid roller billet cam [and usually the lifters too] would do well to survive 2 race seasons without having to be replaced because of excessive wear.

Fourth, we also do a good amount of Chevy engines also, and they too have their fair share of cam "issues" when built for race use.

Finally, I agree with 9SECV6, who would NOT use a billet cam with solid rollers.:D
 
Nick. Could you clarify on your last sentence, or is that a typo error.
 
...............I say NO way........ is he correct:confused: or am I behind the times:confused: I have always used billet roller cams with SOLID roller lifters.


OK, maybe it should read "why would anyone NOT use a billet cam with solid rollers".

Thanks for your help Don [see you in a few weeks!].:biggrin:
 
Ill bet yu $100000000 that your wrong.Just because you THINK thats the way it works doesnt make it so.Youre so far off base,you need to get back to reality.....

Aski Duttweiler or better yet,ask Dan Strezo.

The ramp on every cam is different because of the grinds,the ramp rate and such are the samebetween a hyd roller and solid roller,Buick,Chevy,Ford,ANY engine.

What do you mean by the ramp rates are the same between hydraulic and solid roller cams? Exactly which segment of the cam lobe profile are you referring too. Are you talking about the clearance ramp portion of the solid roller cam profile?

Are you suggesting that the lobe profile of a 9,500 rpm capable solid roller cam is the same as a hydrualic roller cam that's done at 6,500 rpm?

100000000.00?
 
Ill bet yu $100000000 that your wrong.Just because you THINK thats the way it works doesnt make it so.Youre so far off base,you need to get back to reality.....

Aski Duttweiler or better yet,ask Dan Strezo.

The ramp on every cam is different because of the grinds,the ramp rate and such are the samebetween a hyd roller and solid roller,Buick,Chevy,Ford,ANY engine.

I think you have topped the list of childish, immature replies in recent memory.:confused:

Maybe if you had facts instead of BS, this could be a civil discussion, instead of you trying to live up to your screen name.:)
 
I think you have topped the list of childish, immature replies in recent memory.:confused:

Maybe if you had facts instead of BS, this could be a civil discussion, instead of you trying to live up to your screen name.:)

This guy is obviously a MORON.... 11 posts and he's managed to opine on the Len Freeman thing and remove all doubt about his knowledge in this thread. Way to make an entrance.... :rolleyes:
 
Ill bet yu $100000000 that your wrong.Just because you THINK thats the way it works doesnt make it so.Youre so far off base,you need to get back to reality.....

Aski Duttweiler or better yet,ask Dan Strezo.

The ramp on every cam is different because of the grinds,the ramp rate and such are the samebetween a hyd roller and solid roller,Buick,Chevy,Ford,ANY engine.


How many full race engines have you built? How many "street" engines have you built? I am having a hard time believing you really understand the term "cam ramp" with you have posted. Nick isn't far off base.........He's just winning the "pickle". ;) (baseball term) How 'bout giving us some facts to base your comments on. Maybe, we could learn something. What do you know that Nick doesn't?
 
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