Solid Rollers on Cast Cams

[BetMinesFaster]

Ill bet yu $100000000 that your wrong.Just because you THINK thats the way it works doesnt make it so.Youre so far off base,you need to get back to reality.....

Aski Duttweiler or better yet,ask Dan Strezo.

The ramp on every cam is different because of the grinds,the ramp rate and such are the samebetween a hyd roller and solid roller,Buick,Chevy,Ford,ANY engine.

I can not belive a new-b would say this to Nick Micale

 

[TurboT231]

Someone needs to contact Turbo1dr. I thought read where he was running solids on an austemper roller cam. I could be wrong, though.:wink:

TurboCrazy is right. Turbo1dr was the first to do it and after asking him some questions i did it also. We are using TA performance solid roller lifters on Comp Cams hyd. roller cams. Got mine adjusted at 4 thou. clearance and they sound 10 times better then the noisy bleeding down 885 comp hyd. rollers. Everthing has been fine since june.

 

[SouthernCal GN]

Ill bet yu $100000000 that your wrong.Just because you THINK thats the way it works doesnt make it so.Youre so far off base,you need to get back to reality.....

Aski Duttweiler or better yet,ask Dan Strezo.

The ramp on every cam is different because of the grinds,the ramp rate and such are the samebetween a hyd roller and solid roller,Buick,Chevy,Ford,ANY engine.

How many full race engines have you built? How many "street" engines have you built? Maybe, we could learn something. What do you know that Nick doesn't?

Hey, disliked;

Answer the question- don't dance around the issue. This bunch of guys has been around for quite a while, we're always open to new info....as long as there is fact to back up the data. It's part of the game..

So, show the info or shut up.....you talk a good game, and invoke the names of some pretty well respected Buick guys (while slamming other well respected Buick guys).

Prove it.

 

[bison]

I think Nick not saying anything in response would be enough info for you to draw that conclusion.Him and Len Freeman are similar in that respect.

Call DLS or Duttweiler if you dont beleive me.Better yet,call a cam manufacturer like Comp and ask them how many of these cams they sell(austemepered solid roller)

Lets see some pics of the worn out billet solid rollers from 2 years of use.Since Nick builds SOOOOO many hipo engines that are in the 9's,he ought to have a bunch of worn out solid rollers around wouldnt ya think???

Nick already stated the obvious. He does not need to reply to you. He didnt say it wouldnt work he just didnt advise it. Yes comp lifters dont last very long under high spring pressures. The rollers fail. The original post asked about compatibility. Its a toss up based on spring pressures. Your wrong about the ramp rate too. The cams ground for use with solid rollers have a much quicker ramp and using a heavy hydraulic roller on it would be a disaster. You can go the other way though and run a tight lashed solid lifter on a hydraulic profile. It will not make the same power as a comparative solid ground cam which will be spec'd with higher spring pressures which will wear out the rollers faster. With the converter tech out there these days there is almost no reason at all for anyone to run a solid setup if they plan on making under 800hp. There is no need to have the engine speed over 6500 unless you are running mid 140's and up.

 

[bison]

I think Nick not saying anything in response would be enough info for you to draw that conclusion.Him and Len Freeman are similar in that respect.

Call DLS or Duttweiler if you dont beleive me.Better yet,call a cam manufacturer like Comp and ask them how many of these cams they sell(austemepered solid roller)

Lets see some pics of the worn out billet solid rollers from 2 years of use.Since Nick builds SOOOOO many hipo engines that are in the 9's,he ought to have a bunch of worn out solid rollers around wouldnt ya think???

Fwiw Comp's customer service level sucks balls. They know they have a problem with their POS 853 lifters but basically tell you too bad, deal with it. Even a setof 853's i got from Dan the man 9 years ago had a problem lifter. He took care of it right away. None the less Comp sucks balls. If the lifters arent checked and cleaned you will have problems.

 

[Nick Micale]

I think Nick not saying anything in response would be enough info for you to draw that conclusion.Him and Len Freeman are similar in that respect.

I have had to deal with many morons and hate-mongers during my many years on this board, and I see you have shown your true colors as one already, early in your tenure here.

The information I posted comes from many years of Buick experience, and only stated what have done and seen. Nothing I said was attacking you, or bad personally to or about you?

You on the other hand, are a internet troll of the highest order that resorts to personal attacks and name calling instead of a civil discussion. Did I mention coward, hiding behind a screen name that only tells half the story of your character, or lack of?

I do want to thank you for one thing, in just a few posts, you have lost ALL credibility here, not that you had any to start with, and it will only go down hill for you from here.

P.S. I am done with you in this thread.:biggrin:

 

[Alky V6]

TurboCrazy is right. Turbo1dr was the first to do it and after asking him some questions i did it also. We are using TA performance solid roller lifters on Comp Cams hyd. roller cams. Got mine adjusted at 4 thou. clearance and they sound 10 times better then the noisy bleeding down 885 comp hyd. rollers. Everthing has been fine since june.

Are you adjusting those hot or cold?

 

[Alky V6]

The reason I ask is, if you're setting the lash at .004" when hot, you could be lifting the valve off the seat when cold by a few thousandths, depending on your head and block material.

I don't understand this thing of using solids on a hydraulic cam. If you're willing to go solids and put up with periodic checks of the lash adjustment, why not just put a true solid roller cam in the car?

It's very easy to beat up a hydraulic cam lobe if you don't find that best compromise lash adjustment quick enough during your experimenting.

 

[TurboT231]

The reason I ask is, if you're setting the lash at .004" when hot, you could be lifting the valve off the seat when cold by a few thousandths, depending on your head and block material.

I don't understand this thing of using solids on a hydraulic cam. If you're willing to go solids and put up with periodic checks of the lash adjustment, why not just put a true solid roller cam in the car?

It's very easy to beat up a hydraulic cam lobe if you don't find that best compromise lash adjustment quick enough during your experimenting.

Don, after talking with Mike at TA i set them at 004 cold. He told me their aluminum heads grow at least 006 when hot so thats were there at now. I still have not checked them hot to see but it sounds just fine for me. I went with the solids cause the 885 hyd. comps would bleed down and sound like crap after every 1/4 mile pass, they would slowly pump back up but i was tired of the noise. Everything is good so far, just waiting for some cooler weather to run it at a track.:smile:

 

[m233roller]

4)Dan Strezo says its ok.Says if you are on a budget,its fine.He will even sell you a custom grind.I dont think Dan would touch it with a 10ft pole if it were bad for your engine.Dan "the man" Strezo has as much Buick v6 engine knowledge in the tip of his finger than AZ has in the entire state.


Yeah, Dan the man told me the ECONO roller cam set up was the way to go.
Ground up a BRAND NEW engine in 500 miles and I MEAN GROUND IT UP !! Also ate up a BRAND NEW turbo. I wasn't on a budget either !! I got touched with his 10ft. pole and you know where too!!! Nick (arizona gn ) never sold any of those pieces of S--T.

 

[BlownV6]

I have had an eye on this post since is beginning and hoped that some one would straighten this out. Are we talking about using a cast flat tappet cam with solid roller lifters??? Mike

 

[9SECVSIX]

I have had an eye on this post since is beginning and hoped that some one would straighten this out. Are we talking about using a cast flat tappet cam with solid roller lifters??? Mike

Mike.
Were talking about using a cast hyd roller cam with soild lifters. I think the main two reason this guy wanted to try this method are because of easier installing with the cast cam and couple of bills cheaper.

 

[BlownV6]

Mike.
Were talking about using a cast hyd roller cam with soild lifters. I think the main two reason this guy wanted to try this method are because of easier installing with the cast cam and couple of bills cheaper.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!! I was hoping that werent actually thinking of trying a flat tappet cam with roller lifters!!! I feel better now!!
Thanks Mike

 

[m233roller]

Mike, sorry for the confusion. I just got ALL PI--ED again when disco stu mentioned the econo roller cam of some time ago. Then when the motor mouth posted that about Dan the man Strezo I just couldn't stop myself from posting my experience with him. The econo roller had nothing to do with solid roller lifters. In fact it was a flat tappet core ground into roller profiles with hydralic roller lifters.With the spring pressure you have to have with roller lifters GUESS what happened ????? I guess the know it all just got me going again when he stated that about Strezo and was slamming Nick. I do agree Dan is a very sharp guy but Nick like myself have been around ALONG time and he is also one VERY sharp guy. I'm DONE :biggrin: :biggrin:

 

[turbofabricator]

4)Dan Strezo says its ok.Says if you are on a budget,its fine.He will even sell you a custom grind.I dont think Dan would touch it with a 10ft pole if it were bad for your engine.Dan "the man" Strezo has as much Buick v6 engine knowledge in the tip of his finger than AZ has in the entire state.


Yeah, Dan the man told me the ECONO roller cam set up was the way to go.
Ground up a BRAND NEW engine in 500 miles and I MEAN GROUND IT UP !! Also ate up a BRAND NEW turbo. I wasn't on a budget either !! I got touched with his 10ft. pole and you know where too!!! Nick (arizona gn ) never sold any of those pieces of S--T.

I, too, got bit by the econo roller deal. I still have a guy that needs his removed before he drives it again. (it has been sitting in his garage for the last five years.!!!, ever since it was installed. He has NOT driven it more than 15 miles) I think the term "Econo" meant it was good for "someones" economy, not mine. One good thing about that cam, though, was that someone stole a GN that I had just installed the cam in. I hope the thing ground flat and shot through the fire wall into the guys nut sack!!!!!

But, don't hold back.........how EXACTLY do you feel about the topic?:biggrin:
But, let's move on from THAT debacle. So, I don't have to "up" my blood pressure meds............

 

[m233roller]

And if you have a fast stock block Buick,it has at least 1 part from DLS

You want to BET ????

 

[turbo nasty]

From your first post you were being sarcastic and arrogant. Not sure whats up but no need to try and pick a fight with everyone on the board.
Be cool dude

 

[87bigcut]

What happened to all the posts by "disliked"?

 

[turbodave231]

I think "Disliked" earned himself a vacation.

 

[turbofabricator]

What happened to all the posts by "disliked"?

He appears to have been DIS-allowed. No longer a listed member. Not sure he posted anything that required banning, but was a bit abrasive, for sure. Some folks just have never read the book "How to win friends and influence people" by Dale Carnegie. A book that will help anyone. It should be required reading in high school.