STOCK turbo racing class, Any Interest??

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

We may have to open it up to any 3 bolt, .63 exhaust housing as good rebuildable garrett housings can be hard to find. A lot of the ones i find are cracked or in poor shape.

 

[NCTURBOS]

We may have to open it up to any 3 bolt, .63 exhaust housing as good rebuildable garrett housings can be hard to find. A lot of the ones i find are cracked or in poor shape.

That as well as the cost of the Garrett housings (compressor side also) is why you see PTE casting their own. Also why I brought it up.


K.

 

[GNVYUS 1]

I dig it and good job at ditching the tranny brake and no aftermarket rims.
I bet someone will run a 10 someday with the freedom of mods that have been allowed. Best part is the community will be able to brag to the other turbo communities that a GN did it on a stock turbo and intercooler.

I see what you mean on the turbo housings, but how many will really run this class for it to be an issue where you can not find them on the market??
Hell get em from the Mustang and Camaro guys who have been buying two stock turbos from us for their twin turbo piles.

Not a fan of keeping the stock headers since you can upgrade the exhaust, maybe limit it to the Postons since they resemble the stockers pretty closely?

Allowing the TTA's is a good move to keep the class alive, even though they are sort of a Hybrid right, factory hybrid must be the loop hole.:tongue:

 

[BillyRValentine]

I dig it and good job at ditching the tranny brake and no aftermarket rims.
I bet someone will run a 10 someday with the freedom of mods that have been allowed. Best part is the community will be able to brag to the other turbo communities that a GN did it on a stock turbo and intercooler.

I see what you mean on the turbo housings, but how many will really run this class for it to be an issue where you can not find them on the market??
Hell get em from the Mustang and Camaro guys who have been buying two stock turbos from us for their twin turbo piles.

Not a fan of keeping the stock headers since you can upgrade the exhaust, maybe limit it to the Postons since they resemble the stockers pretty closely?

Allowing the TTA's is a good move to keep the class alive, even though they are sort of a Hybrid right, factory hybrid must be the loop hole.:tongue:

Good input and thanks for responding. I believe that if we allow a very minor amount of bolt ons that this class could potentially take off as well. Allowing the factory T/A's in opens the door for the major 3 turbo Buick reps to strut their stuff. The three being the Turbo-T, the GN and the Turbo T/A. I would think that we could accomodate the turbocharged Rivs as well but am not sure how competitive they would be in a heads up class such as this.

To everyone - I am thinking that as mentioned maybe a factory replacement turbo, using the stock compressor and exhaust housing and wheel deminsions may not be a bad idea. What say you?

Jim C.

 

[TTA850]

Nice job - if/when this becomes a definate class I will be getting my hardtop TTA ready

Factory Stock Appearing – FSA

3-in downpipe is allowed. It must be routed down through the stock location.

Alcohol injection is allowed.

3" downpipe, does that include a Terry Houston pipe or is that 3" pipe with stock elbow?

Curious about the alcohol injection scince there is nothing factory stock appearing about it and it will end up being a necessity to be competative

Also can you run a girdle? I know it shouldnt be needed at this performance level but I wanted to check scince I have a motor that fits the rules but has a girdle and want to know if I can use this motor or need to build a new one. What about a power plate for a stock plenum?

Thanks in advance,
Steve

 

[BillyRValentine]

How about running a 8" slick instead of the 10" slick??

Any MAF??

Does the stock turbo have to have the Garrett .63 exhaust housing on it??


K.

Not a bad idea but maybe up to a 9" slick? The reason I ask is that it is not hard to get a 28x9-in. slick under a stock wheel well at all and they fit on a factory rim pretty well. You know I keep coming back to the original drag radial idea for this class but will do what ever the vote takes us towards. Everyone who is interested in this class make sure to get your input in so that we get this class organized the way it should be. Thanks.

Jim C. - GSCA Race Director

 

[NCTURBOS]

You know I keep coming back to the original drag radial idea for this class...

I like that idea as well. Lets keep it drag radial only!! We all know you can make them hook pretty darn well!!


K.

 

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

Another vote here for Drag Radial.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

I vote for slicks, nuttin better than getting consistant sixty foot times at the track.
28x9 work pretty good on a 7 or 8 inch rim
Can the stock rims be widened?
Are the western wheels allowed since they appear very close to the stock T wheel?
Stock electric fan only, or can we run the dual fans that most venders are selling?
Thanks
BW

 

[67turboCamaro]

I think you should be able to run either a slick or a drag radial. Also, again why the stock wheels? If you want everything looking stock, then why let any 3" DP in?? They don't look stock at all.

 

[TURBOPOWERED68]

These dam threads get me all interested, they sound real good."at first"
And here come all the control freaks with a million rules.

1-stock 109 block to what ever 30 over equals in cubes.
2-stock heads with what ever in them.
3-stock exterior intake manifold, dog house and TB with any work inside.
4-Stock turbo
5-stock injectors (this is the real limit) what can be done with no extra fuel.
4-if you open the hood can you see the trans? Not really so who gives a dam.
5-tires and size come on that’s BS.

 

[blown okie]

sounds to me like you just need to build an nhra stock eliminator turbo buick and actually prove something that way, this to me is the true test of what a "from the factory" combo is capable of. there hasn't been one at nhra for a while that i know of (except 57loboys & it was a hot air). the stockers are truely amazing to me if you have an understanding of the limitations and rules of what they can & can't do & understand what just how picky nhra tech can be in the stock/ super stock classes.

 

[BillyRValentine]

I think you should be able to run either a slick or a drag radial. Also, again why the stock wheels? If you want everything looking stock, then why let any 3" DP in?? They don't look stock at all.

Good points and will factor in to the equasion. Thanks.

Jim C. - GSCA Race Director

 

[BillyRValentine]

These dam threads get me all interested, they sound real good."at first"
And here come all the control freaks with a million rules.

1-stock 109 block to what ever 30 over equals in cubes.
2-stock heads with what ever in them.
3-stock exterior intake manifold, dog house and TB with any work inside.
4-Stock turbo
5-stock injectors (this is the real limit) what can be done with no extra fuel.
4-if you open the hood can you see the trans? Not really so who gives a dam.
5-tires and size come on that’s BS.

Please understand that due to the following classes - TSO, TSM, TSL, TSE and last but not least TSS we need one that one is not too similar to these classes. We don't need another class that emulates any one or even a combonation of these classes but more-so one that emulates what the name of the class impies within reason. We have a whole year to figure it out and hopefully with some good input we will do so.

I personally would love to see a class that does not allow strokers, allows only iron heads and factory appearing parts with the turbo limit being up to a TE-60, 3-in DP, only mass produced stock location intercoolers and factory rims using up to a 275/60-15 drag radial, stock ECM and alchy. but those are just my thoughts. I guess a true bolt on class for the average Joe. The rules would have to be fairly tight to keep from having to compete with cubic dollars. There would be no big money payouts, only a plaque and maybe a couple of hundred dollars, but these are only my thoughts and I will tune the rules to whatever the masses want it to be.

Jim C. - GSCA Race Director

 

[Quiky One]

So if I read this correctly you can not use aftermarket injectors? If you can't, get the track crew ready to clean up the track or watch a bunch of 13 second cars run...

I would definately be interested in running this class with my TTA if you can use a 3" DP, alky, and 60 lb injectors.

Jason

 

[GNVYUS 1]

They did not ditch the aftermarket injectors, that post is not by Jim.

IMO the case for the stock rims is that people in the crowd should see the outside of the car as stock appearing as possible, that means stock rims and exhaust out behind the tire like the GN, not the Monte. And you can get wider rims from Brian Weaver to meet your slick/DOT needs ( while supporting a great TB Vendor ) .

Bolt on mods like a DP will generally never be seen by 90% of the crowd ( under the hood ) while the rims will be seen on every car raced. And most people don't know what the stock rims look like anyways so for it be a Stock Appearing racing class the rims need to be there IMO. Hell make the raced cars only factory colors too if you want to get picky.

 

[67turboCamaro]

I personally would love to see a class that does not allow strokers, allows only iron heads and factory appearing parts with the turbo limit being up to a TE-60, 3-in DP, only mass produced stock location intercoolers and factory rims using up to a 275/60-15 drag radial, stock ECM and alchy. but those are just my thoughts. I guess a true bolt on class for the average Joe. The rules would have to be fairly tight to keep from having to compete with cubic dollars. There would be no big money payouts, only a plaque and maybe a couple of hundred dollars, but these are only my thoughts and I will tune the rules to whatever the masses want it to be.

Jim C. - GSCA Race Director

That sounds like the rules to TSS, only with a smaller turbo and factory rims. My brother could put a 60 turbo and some stock wheels on his TSS car and own this class.

 

[Quick6'n'-K.C.]

So if I read this correctly you can not use aftermarket injectors? If you can't, get the track crew ready to clean up the track or watch a bunch of 13 second cars run...

Jason

I made a 12.7 pass this year in a stock injector car with the stock downpipe, intercooler, 90° elbow and factory exhaust with a test pipe. It had a Eric Marshall chip, Julio's meth kit, a cold air kit, and 235 drag radials. The boost was 18psi in first and second and 20 in third gear.
Would have been a 12.2 car with the convertor locked and more boost.

Running that type of car really makes running a stock turbo FUN!!

Keeping the cars stock appearing as possible will always keep the competition guessing
Jason, not all stock injector cars are running 13's
Look below for reference:biggrin:
BW

 

[Quiky One]

I made a 12.7 pass this year in a stock injector car with the stock downpipe, intercooler, 90° elbow and factory exhaust with a test pipe. It had a Eric Marshall chip, Julio's meth kit, a cold air kit, and 235 drag radials. The boost was 18psi in first and second and 20 in third gear.
Would have been a 12.2 car with the convertor locked and more boost.

Running that type of car really makes running a stock turbo FUN!!

Keeping the cars stock appearing as possible will always keep the competition guessing
Jason, not all stock injector cars are running 13's
Look below for reference:biggrin:
BW

Haha not without alky.

My dads T was out of fuel at 15 psi without alky.

 

[UNDER-PRESSURE]

I wonder what we did with these cars 20 years ago before all these big injectors came along?? Stock injectors & Parts can run a little faster than you might think.