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Warp6

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Pissed - the part is $17 then you want to hit me with $11.00 to ship it! Are you nuts? This kind of stuff pisses me off. At least price the part where you need to, but don't try to get me on shipping. Keep it. I want to help our vendors but dang, don't think I won't notice you trying to get deeper into my pocket on shipping. Shady if you ask me.
 
Well if an order came like that thru us it would be refunded thru pay pal or your card would be charged $5.00 for a USPS flat rate box. I don't know any vendor here who wouldn't do that for a customer. We refund pay pal daily. Any shipping company that picks up anything under a pound to 1lb. Then it adds in a residential fee. working out to about, yep $11.00. I wouldn't be pissed I would contact the vendor & ask. If you had time to post you probablly could of e-mailed them in the same amount of time.
 
I actually phoned two of them. One said $12 to ship. The other was $11 and out of stock. No offer of a shipping rebate was made by either. I even asked if they were sure when I informed them of USPS Flat Rate shipping. I ordered from you a few weeks ago and got the flat rate on 4 plenum gaskets. I looked at your site for the block off plate but the ones you have are not what I want, sorry. I'll still continue to buy from you, I promise! You have it figured out, too bad the others don't.
 
also, it's not about the money. It's the principal of taking advantage of the shipping situation to pad their margins.
 
I've been selling some stuff on E-Bay lately and shipping is killer! That part, however, should easily fit in a $5 flat rate box as Brian said.
 
that is a lot of money for something that can be made out of a 3"X3" piece of steel with a couple of holes drilled in it.
 
I agree, it's the priciple--not the money.
I had to buy a part for my mustang last week. The part was $12.99
Shipping was $12.65+ $2.00 fuel surcharge. More expensive to ship than the part.

The part was a small wiring harness that could of been put in a USPS bubbler envelope.

However small i am as a customer, i decided i wouldn't be doing business with them again.
 
I actually phoned two of them. One said $12 to ship. The other was $11 and out of stock. No offer of a shipping rebate was made by either. I even asked if they were sure when I informed them of USPS Flat Rate shipping. I ordered from you a few weeks ago and got the flat rate on 4 plenum gaskets. I looked at your site for the block off plate but the ones you have are not what I want, sorry. I'll still continue to buy from you, I promise! You have it figured out, too bad the others don't.

I wasn't implying it was us & if you did contact them that is pretty bad. In this economy we really have to work with people. We have been having customers drive here on weekends to pick up rear ends, sheet metal etc. I worked 4 Saturday's & Sunday's straight except until super bowl Sunday so customers wouldn't have to pay freight. I'll be working this Saturday again for out of town customers. In this economy wether your a business or a consumer you have to work with each other. We are doing this to save the customer $150 plus in freight shipping.

We are getting ready to start a 0% intrest lay away plan with just a $5.00 a month fee to do the paper work & update the customer with a balance. It's tough out there right now & we know it.

I do want to apologize because you didn't state that you had called the business. If I can help you with a particular plate your looking for just let me know.

Jeremy on a 3 x 3 piece of aluminum you can't buy just 10 at a time. You have to but 100-300. Do you make $ when you do that?, of course but you tie up a lot of cash flow as well.

Ghall we stopped using the padded envelops just due to damages that we were incouring. Nothing worse then waiting 3 days on a part just to have it destroyed where for $2.00 more it could have been in a box.
 
Although we don't carry the block off plate as described I just wanted to point out that last year GNS had refunded over $600 to our customers that our on line merchant's shipping calculator over charged! It's not me or how I set it up but it's the way there calculator adds up multiple items when it screws everything up... We have had Many talks with them but nothing ever changes so we just refund back the overage and everyone is happy!

SW.
 
I have gotten burned a lot on UPS's calculator selling parts here. You do a shipping estimate to give someone a total then you get ready to ship it and it's several dollars higher than you estimated.
 
Good ol flat rate USPS Priority is now well over $6 w/ delivery confirm.
Wait til the shipping co's add in more "fuel surcharges", once gas gets to the predicted $5/gallon....
 
I have gotten burned a lot on UPS's calculator selling parts here. You do a shipping estimate to give someone a total then you get ready to ship it and it's several dollars higher than you estimated.
I had the same thing when I shipped a part to somebody on my dime and talk about sticker shock. $15 to ship to florida for a very small and light box. :eek:
 
Did a thread like this happen a few weeks ago guys? Shipping has gotten stupid lately I agree, but unless you own a company that does it then you're screwed.:(
 
What many people don't understand or realize, is how the billed shipping cost is determined. I get the inquiries all the time: "How is it, you charge me $11 for a UPS shipment, when I go to the UPS store and they only charge me $8 for the same package?"

What they don't understand is that the actual billed cost of the shipment that the UPS register shows is not the actual cost to ship that parcel. Look at it this way: If you have a walk-in store and you buy a product, you are paying for the cost plus the profit, plus whatever cost that was associated with the product comes to. The store buyer purchases those items, generally in smaller quantities to save shelf space, and PAYS shipping to get the items to his store. The store likely purchases the products pre-packaged and all they have to do is put them on the shelf and wait for the customer to purchase the items. Typically, he purchases many of those items at the same time, and receives a quantity discount for them, so his profit is a bit higher. But, his money sits on the shelf so he's usually real keen on inventory costs. Gotta pay taxes for that inventory as if it were cash in the bank.

Now, consider a mail order business where you're buying the same product, sometimes a bit less expensive - and usually without having to pay sales tax. The company you buy the parts from does the same thing; purchasing in quantities to get the better price. However, this same company has to stock shipping boxes, packaging material, packaging tape, labels, shipping tables and carts, and so on. In addition, the company employs a shipping clerk (if the quantity of shipments require it) who gets a paycheck, insurance, vacations, fringe benefits, sick pay, training, and so on (remember, the brick-and-mortar store has no such paid employee). Also, the company has to inventory all the packaging material, provide shelf space for this stuff, provide warehouse space for the shipping department, and heat, cool, illuminate, and pay taxes for each square foot of space needed. It's a no-brainer to calculate the cost to heat and cool and light and insure a couple hundred square feet of warehouse space devoted to empty cardboard boxes and supplies for a typical business. And, if somebody in shipping (or spell-incorrected online ordering) makes an error, misses a digit, doesn't get the street name exactly right, forgets to name STREET or AVENUE, and the package gets returned, it's gotta be re-shipped again - usually at the company's expense. And, businesses have to pay a weekly fee for the luxury of that big brown or white truck to stop by every day and pick up those packages. Pile all this on to the cost to ship a parcel.

Oh, and if the company is small enough where they don't employ a shipping clerk or shipping department, it's usually the owner who does the task - albeit without remuneration for his services. You see where I'm going.

The real shipping costs associated with products include a lot of unseen or poorly understood expenses, and add them all up, you can easily see why the "billed" shipping cost is greater than the advertised cost from the shipping company. And, the mail order business incurs greater expenses in selling products than the brick-and-mortar walk-in store for those reasons. Most, if not all mail order companies use a multiplier that, at the end of the day, returns the exact amount of cost back to the company. Once you run the numbers at the year's end, you will either be in the black, or in the red. If you're in the red, you are not charging enough for shipping; if in the black, you are. Simple economics.

UPS, for example, raises the rates across the board every February of every year. It also charges extra for residential service, sometimes even double the business service to the same town. Air shipments are way over the top, have been for some time. But UPS is reliable, more so than USPS or FEDEX, at least from my experience. So, sometimes you just pay a bit more for what I consider peace-of-mind.

There's my two cents plus.
 
It would help keep shipping charges down on some items by not reboxing them. ie- Buy a muffler from Jegs or Summit, it's already in a box. I don't need it delivered in a Jegs box with another catalog and a hat and some stickers, just slap the address label on its original box and send it on its way. If you want you can throw the hat and catalog in the muffler box and retape it. You don't need to advertise to me that I bought it from you it's already obvious because I ordered from said company so why do you need to advertise to me that I bought the muffler from you? And don't say free shipping when you have a packaging and handling charge that's just another way of charging for shipping, duh.
 
John, that's what I meant by build the price of packaging into the price of the product. I think any business owner should do that, we do. Also, I understand UPS - published rate vs. billed rate. There is profit in shipping with UPS you know it and I know it. I run UPS Worldship in my business but I'm not going to allow my customer to get skinned on a small package. But, I did ship a small package last Thursday from NC to CA Next Day Air Early AM delivery - $126. The box was 12 x 8 x 3. I'm okay with that because it was a needed service to help with a sales meeting. $11 for Std. Ground on an EGR delete plate gets me mad. Maybe it's just me??
 
There's no such thing as free shipping. Either you mask it as a service charge, or you work it into the cost of the product - which gives your competition an edge if you're not careful.
Shipping costs. And it doesn't give anyone a break.

But I understand where the OP is coming from; it's hard to grasp that the cost of the shipping eclipses the cost of the part. The system is obviously in place, like Summit and Jegs, with their container rules.

Caspers ships over 8,000 parcels a year by UPS alone, and half that many by USPS, so trying to manually select certain small cost packages is not really practical, given the volume. I know many of them slip thru the cracks, due to the structure of the business. Someone needs a single wire terminal, the car is down, we happen to have that terminal, but it has to circumvent the system to be able to supply it - the part is not on our inventory-to-sell shelf, but instead it's in our production department. So someone has to go hunt it down, package it, deduct it from inventory, yada yada, all takes time and works against a shipping system.

Growing pains I guess.
 
if it is 11OZs or under it can go first class for about a buck and a half.I charge actual shipping cost when I sell and go first class on small light items ,Priority on med sized items and UPS on large Items .
 
We ship First Class by customer request only. You don't get the luxury of tracking information, and there's no guarantee how long it might take to get there.

USPS does use pretty boxes though. Makes JEGS and SUMMIT advertising look weak. However, don't use those pretty boxes if you're shipping First Class, they won't ship the item.

We have seen more problems with the postal service than you can imagine. And, they don't pay even if you choose insurance. I should post pictures of damaged shipments that you can't believe. UPS, on the other hand, is really reliable by comparison. But you pay the price.
 
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