9.40 in TSM?

[BobbyBuick]

I THINK 10.10@134 but not 100% sure .I DO know he was one very happy southern boy comin down the return road of the finals when I ran out to give him my handshake,What a great feeling to be the underdog and pull it out.It makes all the frustration worth it

 

[re-evaluating]

9.49 time slip lifting

Well since you guys aren't going to let me have any fun talking smack with this I will explain what happened. To start I hurt the car on Friday on the 10.15 pass as my water temps were 220 through the traps on that pass and every other after so even the 9.99 was with a blown head gasket. The car never detonated and boost was conservative but for some reason it let go.

The second round I left of the foot brake soft and easy I had a .147 reaction to his .049 and a 1.75 to his 1.60 and ran him down with trap speed of 136 to his 129..

Third round I raced Keith Egan I did another foot brake launch .198 to his .404 with a 1.78 to his 1.60 and again a 137 to his 129 MPH

As for the starting line situation because of the location of the head gasket water leak I left 3 to 4 feet of water on the track at the starting line. This cloud of water and mist made it appear that I was in the beams longer than I was as was mentioned earlier on my bye run, I launched it spun and I shut it down with a 1.25 60' same mist situation.

In the semi finals against my good friend D!ck Kerney I turned up the boost 1 lb and I left the starting line at 24 lbs. It stuck for the most part, and no doubt was my best 60' of the event. (1.48 previous best this week at BG) The time slip says .993 and we all know it didn't do that (but I intend to talk smack about it though) My car is fat and lazy on the first end of the track but will run about anyone down on the other end as I had done in earlier runs. The 1/8 mile et was 5.91 and MPH was 110.92 The margin of victory was .2218 and D!ck had clearly bulbed me so I was again trying to chase him down. Frank Parvin told me I had him by a fender just before the 1000' mark and the head gasket let go best I can tell by the data log around 1200' and I lifted (causing the low MPH of 134) to 78% TPS according to the data log and I could see D!ck wasn't coming around me. I did NOT lift completely when it happened but it scared the crap out of me and I lifted. I drove it to the scales and it sounded like a John Deere. I have no doubt it was a 9 second pass and would guess maybe a 9.8 something.

I returned to the pits and unplugged #6 injector and went back to the staging lanes. As for my limping to a 12.53 @ 121.77 in the finals Jason had problems in the semi's as well so I figured I wasn't going to give it to him with out showing up, so if Jason had let out I would have done my best to drive around him for the win, he did not and I congratulate him on his third Nat's win.. Jason and I are good friends and he is a great competitor but we both used all we had to win.

If you weren't impressed with my limping to 122 MPH on 5 cylinders maybe you should rethink that one a little, just go out and unplug #6 and try it yourself..

I would have liked to run Jason under full power to see who would have gotten there first, but that just didn't work out this time.

Had a lot of fun and set some new personal bests in the turbo car not bad on the first time out with the car. Thanks Paul and Cal !!!

 

[1ARUNEM]

I think I'd be more worried about racing knowing I was leaking that much water.. Worried about myself and the guy in the next lane.

Apparently the starting line worker wasn't doing his job..


No flame, just a thought.. Your car is certainly impressive..

 

[re-evaluating]

Found out after the fact

Originally posted by 1ARUNEM
I think I'd be more worried about racing knowing I was leaking that much water.. Worried about myself and the guy in the next lane.

Apparently the starting line worker wasn't doing his job..


No flame, just a thought.. Your car is certainly impressive..

I understand your point and agree with you, I did not know I was putting down the water until I spoke with an official after the finals were complete. I was consuming about 10 to 12 oz of water per run until the semi's I assumed it was going through the motor until the offical told me. If I had felt at any time I was putting anyone (including myself) at risk I would have put the car on the trailer. That was one of the things we discussed prior to each run.

Thank you for the kind words, old Goldie is coming around.

 

[86brick]

Dave, your car is running good, but more importantly it looks awesome with those GNX rims!!! Absolutely sweet

 

[Nick Micale]

Originally posted by 1ARUNEM
I think I'd be more worried about racing knowing I was leaking that much water.. Worried about myself and the guy in the next lane.

Apparently the starting line worker wasn't doing his job..

The starter WAS doing his job and a darn good one all week.

There was no water leaking out of Dave's car until he left at the light. It was not leaking coming out of the water box. If it had been, he would not have made the run and been backed out like a couple other cars. There was no trail, just a small amount of water, not antifreeze, on the pad.

He was not leaking water, just compression, when he ran Jason.

 

[laz]

Dave congrats on your runner up its about time we saw you racing again .I saw the time slip and theres no way you can run a 3.68 330 ft you will never do that, the 5.91 in the eighth is maybe closer to believeable but also not close to you 6.42 on your 9.99 run we ran a 6.03 at 116.18 on the 9.45 pass. I think its awesome how far we all have come and the weather was not turbo friendly and the heat on the track made for slower than usual runs imho .

 

[re-evaluating]

Originally posted by Nick Micale
The starter WAS doing his job and a darn good one all week.

There was no water leaking out of Dave's car until he left at the light. It was not leaking coming out of the water box. If it had been, he would not have made the run and been backed out like a couple other cars. There was no trail, just a small amount of water, not antifreeze, on the pad.

He was not leaking water, just compression, when he ran Jason.

Yes Nick the starter was doing a good job all week I saw them backing several cars out during the week for just that kind of thing. I have been studing the video and it seemed to only make the smoke or mist when like at 20 lbs or over on the launch lifting the head the best I can tell.

The car has nothing but water and water wetter in the cooling system, anti freeze is illegal and stupid on any race track.

In the finals it was just leaking air out of the cylinder NO fuel or anything else as the injector was NOT firing.

Laz no doubt it wasn't a 9.49 but then again I have a time slip and witnesses and I read it on the internet so it must be true!

Thanks Nick for all your effort.. Dave

 

[laz]

Hey Dave your right just back it up with a 9.50 something or so it was nice to see you competing . Laz

 

[re-evaluating]

Laz congrats to you and Roy

Sorry Laz and Roy in all my excitement I didn't mean to overlook your awesome runs. You guys were no doubt putting the power down.

I hear you on the backing it up with a 9.50 something best part of that is I got until BPG to find some more HP and I can talk a lot of smack until then .. I am more than happy with the results (9.9's) considering it was the first time out with a completely new combo.

Anyway, well done see you at Reynolds if all goes well.

 

[laz]

Hey Dave im just having fun but i was glad to see you racing and taking the pole the problem is now Jason thinks this Tsm winning is easy so we all need to get to work .

 

[J Banning]

Re: 9.49 time slip lifting

Dave: It was nice to get to meet you. Again... congrats on those runs.

 

[GN ERGY]

Good runs Dave!!!! Damm good final run on 5 cyls. Wonder if you would of pulled the plug so you didn't build compression on that cyl. if it would of went faster ?? Just a thought? It was great to see another OHIO Buick be #1 qualifier. We were cheerin for ya.
Tarey D.
It was nice to get to meet you in person.

 

[HRpartsNstuff]

From the bits & pieces I saw when I got away from our booth & wasn't under a car, looks like we all had fun, even the ones who broke I helped D!ck Kearney with his rear suspension/springs early on cause he couldn't get it to hook at all. He had to remove the coil overs to be legal, and had cargo springs and rubber blocks in there making it real hard to get any weight transfer. I joked with Dave about helping out his competition, but they are all friends & just like most other Buick guys, we all help each other to go faster. Jason also helped Dave get his boost control going, since Dave was trying a new idea we had & had a problem with the actuator that prevented it from working properly. Dave was going 10.30's spinning on the line on 19psi early on, which a few people were doubting his quote on the boost level. I know Dave & he doesn't play games like that, if he says 19 it's 19.

As far as how he launched in the elimination runs, we were still sorting the suspension out & trying stuff. We added a bag of luggage to the trunk (approx 15 lbs) to ensure weight to be good, after hearing Scott Simpson say he was off 30 lbs for 2 runs. Dave's alignment was off, so we had air in the bags to help it handle OK at high speeds. This threw the bar angle off & made it launch poor (for our expectations), but later found out it was decent for the track condition & weather (HOT 86 degrees/100% humidity). We went from 5 psi to 12 psi (evenly) and made it handle better but launch with the "bouncies". We were starting to add our air-bag spacers to be able to drop the pressure in the bags, but we heard the second call to the lanes for TSM. We figured we didn't have time, so we left it alone. After sitting up there for a LONG time waiting to run, hindsight told us we should have kept working on it & still had plenty of time to sit in the lanes. That is one of the runs that we tried a soft launch which should have been safer & better on the 60 ft. Well, we found out if the turbo is NOT up to a decent speed/level, the first 330' is kinda slow compared to the rest of the run. The 9.99 run it spun off the line but hooked enough & got up to speed fast & worked out fine.

We then finally got the spacers in, dropped the pressures to 4-1/2 evenly, and tried the short burnout/med launch against Keith Egan. It was smooth but kinda slow off the line, then ran great out the other end, with a hurt gasket & rising temps. At that time we figured it was just burning the water up, no noise or messes. The noise off the line on Dave's car comes from his tensioner, we confirmed by dropping the belt off & running it. We then dropped the bag pressure to 1 (basically empty) and got some decent travel out of the rear suspension again, but kept it up high enough for stable high speeds. We figured a short burnout was best, and the car would transfer more weight on the launch, so stage it hotter & hit it as hard as you can & cut a light. All I can say when it's all set right & working together, you know it's a good run. As Dave reported along with many others, on the 9.45 run, it came out like a mad dog! It still spins, but hooks up fast & hard as the weight transfers. With the turbo up to speed as well, it pulls like a mad dog the whole way!

For the record, our suspension package was on Dave's car (upper adj, long lowers, and swaybar + airbag spacers at the end). With only a few passes on the car last year and about the same this year, a new combo, small turbo housing, bad alignment, HOT weather, poor track conditions (NOT the crews fault), slow transbrake button, rubbing rear tires, I think it's absolutely amazing that Dave got it going that fast, and gets 2 thumbs up from me !!!! I think Jason may have run a 9 as well, since I heard his 10-0 run was way down on mph from brakes but we will never know. Thinking back to my days of 10.70's at 124, Dave's run on an honest 5 cyl's (inj wire off) going 122 makes me ill. That car was on, no if/ands/or buts. As for the 9.45, well it would be nice to say our suspension package can change a 1.7 60 ft time into a 0.994, but I think actual results may vary
We figure that as he launched on boost, steam/water/combustion was shot right out under the pass door, and delayed the trip of the lights. The .7xx reaction time was actually much better, and the extra time should have been added to the 60 ft time to be more realistic, along with the rest of the run. Knowing Daves other runs off the T-brake were .5xx reaction times, he may have gotten a .30 - .40 at best. That would put his 60 ft up to a mid 1.3 to mid 1.4, which sounds right from witnesses & Daves seat-of-the-pants indicator. With D!ck cutting a better .1xx light, he had the starting line advantage. With Dave coming out hard & having a few MPH on him at half track, that explains the "ahead by a fender" witnesses at half track. With Dave lifting around the 1000 ft mark, that explains the lower MPH than expected for a 9 sec run, but still better than D!cks mph. I have no doubt it was a 9.80 to 9.90 run, but this can be debated forever.

Bottom line,

We all had fun,
Dave ran the only official 9 second pass in TSM at this years Nat's,
Dave made it to the finals against a tough crowd in poor conditions,
Jason won it (again) (GREAT JOB!),
Everyone was doing good for the weather/heat and 9's were in reach for a few,
and 9.3's don't seem out of range for a legal TSM entry on a good track with good weather. Dave was only at 26 psi with conservative timing and still has a tenth or 2 to pickup on the launch (sorry, cat's out of the bag now). I will be looking for a REAL 9.45 later this year, if he can keep the gaskets in there, and a few right on his tail, or other way around
Congrats to ALL, exciting class! Can't wait to get the Nat's video & see what all happened.

If ANYONE has other pics or video's of the TSM runs (or other cool Buick stuff), PLEASE send them to me. I would like to post them on our site.
PS- I think 122 mph on a true 5 cyls should be a good enough backup run for all, works for me. I doubt if I could have broke 105 mph on 5

PPS- D!ck looked REAL GOOD in his new ride down there! I believe his TSM car is for sale, 20K I believe. Not bad for a solid TSM car with LOT's of good parts & proven up 9- low 10 sec performance, for someone looking to join in the FUN!

 

[Race Jace]

All I want to know is when is HR parts going to start selling those "Mist Launch Kits" guarenteed to knock a half a second off of your 1/4mi time?.....lol

We also had a great time. All I can say is we got lucky again!

It sure was some tough competition this year. I think every one of us breathed a big sigh of reilef when Roy finally put that "E" behind his "TS" on his window .

When Dave pulled up to the line in his cho-cho sounding car and was going to run it kinda freaked me out. I was like what the hell is he doing? He going to run it like that? He is crazy!! We had sure had a good time.

Although all of us are very competitive we are still like family...

I think D!ck did a great job competing in TSM his first time. Before his race with Guy I told Guy to be on your toes because D!ck is a good racer... I think he underestimated the old man. oh well it was all in fun.

 

[Race Jace]

Oh, BTW I went to the doctor on Monday after I made it home and my left arm IS broken....

 

[V6 Beast]

Originally posted by Race Jace
Oh, BTW I went to the doctor on Monday after I made it home and my left arm IS broken....

That explains the pain then.

Congrats on winning again and thanks for helping me find a TC bolt so I could continue racing.



Sully

 

[re-evaluating]

Knew I should have broke you leg instead of your arm

Originally posted by Race Jace
Oh, BTW I went to the doctor on Monday after I made it home and my left arm IS broken....

Jason I knew I should have broken your leg instead of your arm if I wanted to win... Seriously sorry to hear about the break had a bad feeling about it down there. Glad it didn't keep you from competing.. Congrats again, don't forget to update your signature too...

 

[re-evaluating]

John Deere

Originally posted by Race Jace
All I want to know is when is HR parts going to start selling those "Mist Launch Kits" guarenteed to knock a half a second off of your 1/4mi time?.....lol

We also had a great time. All I can say is we got lucky again!

It sure was some tough competition this year. I think every one of us breathed a big sigh of reilef when Roy finally put that "E" behind his "TS" on his window .

When Dave pulled up to the line in his cho-cho sounding car and was going to run it kinda freaked me out. I was like what the hell is he doing? He going to run it like that? He is crazy!! We had sure had a good time.

Although all of us are very competitive we are still like family...

I think D!ck did a great job competing in TSM his first time. Before his race with Guy I told Guy to be on your toes because D!ck is a good racer... I think he underestimated the old man. oh well it was all in fun.

Hey Jason I will be glad to work that "Mist Launch Kit" out for you for free .. Think I will work on one for Roy too in case he puts that M back on his car. I was just as relieved as anyone when he pulled in the other lane for tech.

As for my "John Deere" imitation I've been a little crazy for a long time no sense changing now.. It was a great week and a great time seeing old friends and making a few new ones..

 

[Louie L.]

Holy crap your arm is broken? Jeez you are one tough cookie! I hope you get better fast.I think your daddy needs to watch you better.LOL

Daves car was sounding like a walt Disney World locomotive...I expected him to roll the window down and yell "all aboard...Tommorow land next "!!!

I think we were all prepared to do what ever it would take to win. To include running hurt. I was going to run mine poping sputtering and all, but when it wouldnt even launch i gave up.


Talking about Kerney... that guy can race. Dont ever show up next to him unprepared

Things continue to get interesting........