Dusty Bradford
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There is no particular # that works in every car. Each unit is spec'd for your set-up.
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There is no particular # that works in every car. Each unit is spec'd for your set-up.
Dusty Bradford
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Glad you asked, just shows how much faster it's going to go when his issues are worked out
Makes sense. Thanks for the response.
Ya no one here does that
I'd say one thing for sure, you proved the PTC isn't easy to break. :biggrin:
Chris,
Yes.
Kenny Ford is a former TCI guy and I believe started PTC.
I've been recommending PTC on several sites for years. You can't beat their converters for quality and price IMO.
I've also been recommending Edge lately. They seem to work extremely well.
Neither are the cheapest converter you can buy but pricing is very reasonable for what you get in terms of quality and customer service.
PTC got my vote when they took care of me after BTE screwed up and missed the requested stall for my mild 427 BBC by 1000 rpm a few yrs ago.
BTE couldn't even hit the stall on a 425 HP 427, car slowed down using the $380 BTE piece. It was faster with a $99 Summit 2200 converter.
I requested a 3400-3600 flash and got a 4500 flash setup and they wanted FULL price on a restall and "Bubba" was a dick on the phone.
I told BTE then, that it would cost them 100 times in sales what that one converter cost. As far as they knew I was just another customer, not a guy who gives advice on several internet forums and builds a few transmissons
When Steve Oldani (the dealer) called them and told them I was pissed, their tune changed. Too late after I experienced their customer service.
I figure I'm at least halfway there on meeting my goal of costing them converter sales.
Every customer of mine who has used PTC has been very happy AFAIK.
I guess I should call them about being a dealer since I've probably sold a few converters for them.
Yes.
Kenny Ford is a former TCI guy and I believe started PTC.
I've been recommending PTC on several sites for years. You can't beat their converters for quality and price IMO.
I've also been recommending Edge lately. They seem to work extremely well.
Neither are the cheapest converter you can buy but pricing is very reasonable for what you get in terms of quality and customer service.
PTC got my vote when they took care of me after BTE screwed up and missed the requested stall for my mild 427 BBC by 1000 rpm a few yrs ago.
BTE couldn't even hit the stall on a 425 HP 427, car slowed down using the $380 BTE piece. It was faster with a $99 Summit 2200 converter.
I requested a 3400-3600 flash and got a 4500 flash setup and they wanted FULL price on a restall and "Bubba" was a dick on the phone.
I told BTE then, that it would cost them 100 times in sales what that one converter cost. As far as they knew I was just another customer, not a guy who gives advice on several internet forums and builds a few transmissons
When Steve Oldani (the dealer) called them and told them I was pissed, their tune changed. Too late after I experienced their customer service.
I figure I'm at least halfway there on meeting my goal of costing them converter sales.
Every customer of mine who has used PTC has been very happy AFAIK.
I guess I should call them about being a dealer since I've probably sold a few converters for them.
I understand completely. Most of the guys I have seen reference slip % are using the TCI calculator. So, as you mentioned, it may not be totally accurate, but it works as a comparision tool. I have used it to compare all of the different converters I have used and the various"re-stalls" when I had them changed.
So in my case it's accurate enough to tell me there's a huge difference, and the Art Carr was not right for my setup and the PTC is a much better choice.
True, but if someone is using those numbers as a sales tool, promising the same slip number when used in a different car that may have a different tire construction and growth characteristic, I just feel it's a little misleading. I hope you see my point. Most converter manufacturers will use more accurate slip numbers than your TCI calculator and it can be misleading for a new buyer.
On a side note,You can almost buy 2 PTC weld togethers for hte price of a Neil chance and 3 PTC weld togethers to 1 bolt together.
I agree Neil Chance is a great peice ALSO.
But from what i have seen it wont out perform a PTC at almost double the price
Don,PTC also sells a bolt together for those that feel they need that tunabilty
I agree Neil Chance is a great peice ALSO.
But from what i have seen it wont out perform a PTC at almost double the price
Don,PTC also sells a bolt together for those that feel they need that tunabilty
Actually, I not in the market for a T/C. My setup has been decided. The reason I won't class race is because of the limiting factor of one power adder. There are a lot of rule makers that just have to handicap the turbo guy. If I wanted to class race, I would need to go bigger cubes to make a T/C work with my setup without nitrous. I'm not prepared to go through that expense. Besides, I enjoy the challenge to make this small stroker work like a bigger cube V6. It just erks me when people start quoting numbers to sell me, or the unsuspecting new buyer, a T/C that aren't accurate. I don't mind people giving me figures to sell me on something, but they had better be accurate.
If you're so sure a PTC will work in my small cube, small stroke application, put your money where your mouth is. Lend me an example, I'll provide all the labor, and I'll try it. It's much harder of a match than you know, as I'm sure Dusty realizes.
Most guys use their trap mph when checking converter slip. This is not accurate either since the car will be going a few mph or more faster depending on how fast the car is on a full pass since the trap mph is an average over the last 60 ft. If a drag radialed car came up with 5% using the TCI calc and trap speed as the mph the actual is really less than 5%.
Dusty Bradford
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Racers in heads up classes use all tools available to them. 2-step, 3-step, timing and a/f adjustments...to get a decent spool. It's not unusual to see Outlaw 10.5 cars capable of 3000hp now with twins. There are a couple reasons the big power guys made the switch to big blocks. The first was reliability but the other benefit is to help the car build boost and compete with 870ci nitrous motors. It's pretty much impossible to make a converter to spool twin 91's and be able to transfer the power when limited to 450 or less inches. That's another example of building an entire combo that will work together to meet your goals.
I can all but assure you Otto won't put anything where his mouth is. I wouldn't be surprized to see Dusty send something out though. He does seem to have a pretty good thing going with these PTC's and some happy customers.
The most accurate number would be engine speed vs. driveshaft speed. Taking mph, tire size and growth completely out of the equation. In fact, it is best to setup your data acquisition modules to use engine speed vs. driveshaft speed to determine converter or clutch slippage.
Dusty Bradford
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What version 76?? What rpm range do you run the motor in?
Don't you run the car on alky or something as well? There is a lot to spoolup just in the tune up as well. Compression, timing, a/f all play a major role when you get down to sorting out a tricky converter situation.
224 and an 80mm is no doubt difficult.
