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Phoneguy

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Closed ANOTHER thread belonging to twobryans stating the reason as azzholish commentary. (at least he HAS some commentary to add to the board)
It has been brought to your attention many times that YOU made the post in your own ad selling your Museum quality car for a RIDICULOUS price, breaking your own "moderator rules". You were called out on it...deal with it like a man. No... you got to go swinging your "authority" around like a child. GROW UP!!!!!!
What is it that you ADD to this board anyway?.
 
who knows

Twobryans can be a bit opionated on "others" selling cars...good and bad but I will say this...

"THE ONLY WAY OUR CARS ARE GOING TO GO UP IN VALUE IS WHEN PEOPLE STOP SELLING THEM CHEAP AND SETTING A VALUE ON THEM"

every time a good clean car goes to another buyer on this board for a ridiculous price ......the value just gets lower and lower.....

Twobryans car is worth that.... I just sold my GN for over $20k with 30k miles....FROM A NON-MEMBER.....

My Limited is very very clean and no takers...just ballbusters...and I am giving the car away at $12,900 ...**** a KIA Rio with low miles sells for that....lol

when these cars are dried up for sale ......I wish upon a breakage in everyone's pocket for not buying when they could of....
 
Closed ANOTHER thread belonging to twobryans stating the reason as azzholish commentary. (at least he HAS some commentary to add to the board)
It has been brought to your attention many times that YOU made the post in your own ad selling your Museum quality car for a RIDICULOUS price, breaking your own "moderator rules". You were called out on it...deal with it like a man. No... you got to go swinging your "authority" around like a child. GROW UP!!!!!!
What is it that you ADD to this board anyway?.


Been a member since 2001 and have been banned by some pu$$y for saying less .....i see times have changed...maybe i can open my mouth again...

ohh wait i do have an INFRACTION FOR INSULTING A MEMBER....man you just got me rolling...:cool: grabbin a beer and gonna have poop corn to...move over KID W A Toy...:cool:
 
Twobryans can be a bit opionated on "others" selling cars...good and bad but I will say this...

"THE ONLY WAY OUR CARS ARE GOING TO GO UP IN VALUE IS WHEN PEOPLE STOP SELLING THEM CHEAP AND SETTING A VALUE ON THEM"

every time a good clean car goes to another buyer on this board for a ridiculous price ......the value just gets lower and lower.....

Twobryans car is worth that.... I just sold my GN for over $20k with 30k miles....FROM A NON-MEMBER.....

My Limited is very very clean and no takers...just ballbusters...and I am giving the car away at $12,900 ...**** a KIA Rio with low miles sells for that....lol

when these cars are dried up for sale ......I wish upon a breakage in everyone's pocket for not buying when they could of....

You know slowcar. When the bottom fell out on the price of crude oil in 1984 I had stock in small oilfield companies that went belly up. The economy was tanking. I realized my position was to unload what I could, to salvage some monies from a total loss. I did not lament the fact that I couldn't recoup my losses. I sold it for what the market would bearYou can accept the market for what it is or hold out for your price. If you elect to sell when the economy goes down, accept it without the bitterness. Otherwise you will create bad karma(so to speak) for yourself.
 
You know slowcar. When the bottom fell out on the price of crude oil in 1984 I had stock in small oilfield companies that went belly up. The economy was tanking. I realized my position was to unload what I could, to salvage some monies from a total loss. I did not lament the fact that I couldn't recoup my losses. I sold it for what the market would bearYou can accept the market for what it is or hold out for your price. If you elect to sell when the economy goes down, accept it without the bitterness. Otherwise you will create bad karma(so to speak) for yourself.

very well put!
 
The economy will come back up, and when it does, so will the value/relative cost of these cars.

crunch::crunch::crunch::

popcorn hung in my teeth...be right back...need some floss.
 
......... When the bottom fell out on the price of crude oil in 1984 I had stock in small oilfield companies that went belly up. The economy was tanking. I realized my position was to unload what I could, to salvage some monies from a total loss. I did not lament the fact that I couldn't recoup my losses. I sold it for what the market would bearYou can accept the market for what it is or hold out for your price. If you elect to sell when the economy goes down, accept it without the bitterness. Otherwise you will create bad karma(so to speak) for yourself.

LOTS of wisdom in this statement . . . . .
 
You know slowcar. When the bottom fell out on the price of crude oil in 1984 I had stock in small oilfield companies that went belly up. The economy was tanking. I realized my position was to unload what I could, to salvage some monies from a total loss. I did not lament the fact that I couldn't recoup my losses. I sold it for what the market would bearYou can accept the market for what it is or hold out for your price. If you elect to sell when the economy goes down, accept it without the bitterness. Otherwise you will create bad karma(so to speak) for yourself.

The Economy tanking is only relative to what YOU are invested in at the time. A car has never been nor will it ever be considered an investment. Sometimes selling off to cut short term losses is a wise move but more often then not when it comes to the stock market one is better off not selling and sticking it out. That is all relative to how old you are and how much money you have invested at the time with that particular stock.

I don't see the nexus between selling a car when the economy is hurting to cut losses vs. selling off stocks during a bear market to do the same.

In the world of classic cars or specialty muscle cars you cannot compare them to selling ones car for what some would refer to as "Market value". This because it is a tangible object that will never truly go down in value due to its limited availability and is not suceptable to the volatility of the market like a stock is.

The only thing a TR is subject to is what people are willing to pay at that particular time. The value cannot fall out from underneath it as a mutual fund or individual stock could.

People who buy specialty cars know that they are special and only available in limited quantities. People know what it cost to build these cars or find one that is rare or one that has low mileage.

So Slocar was dead on when he stated ""THE ONLY WAY OUR CARS ARE GOING TO GO UP IN VALUE IS WHEN PEOPLE STOP SELLING THEM CHEAP AND SETTING A VALUE ON THEM" That is 100% true. Right now people are giving their cars away. When he stated "Every time a good clean car goes to another buyer on this board for a ridiculous price ......the value just gets lower and lower" he was also dead on with that statement.

The market does not dictate what your car is worth or what it should sell for. The OWNER does. Unlike a mutual fund or stock, he/she has complete control over what he/she feels it is worth. When TR owners stop giving these cars away they will sell for the appropriate price.

Go watch a Mecum or BJ auction and then tell me the economy is so bad that people should sell there TR for the price of a Yogo...:rolleyes:
 
I think these cars do have a "market." If your car is sitting for months and not selling, it is probably because the price is too high. And not every potential buyer has to pay what the seller thinks his car is worth. I have been looking for a while now. I'm not going to plunk down $15,000 for someone else's problems. I've been burned by buying "projects" too many times. For that much money I shouldn't have to do a semi-restoration, but some people think just because it says Grand National on the fender it's automatically worth top dollar. Does that make me a tire kicker?
 
What A** H*** Coment?

Closed ANOTHER thread belonging to twobryans stating the reason as azzholish commentary. (at least he HAS some commentary to add to the board)
It has been brought to your attention many times that YOU made the post in your own ad selling your Museum quality car for a RIDICULOUS price, breaking your own "moderator rules". You were called out on it...deal with it like a man. No... you got to go swinging your "authority" around like a child. GROW UP!!!!!!
What is it that you ADD to this board anyway?.

"Guess I need to monitor the "non-dealer" dealer TwoBryans more regularly.

Closing thread due to ass-holish commentary. Go complain to the administrator to get it re-opened, or stop being an azzhole.

I wish I could bet on which you'll choose. I'd win a ton of money."

That is from the tread that was closed by the moderator, I reread that thread and have no idea what he was taking about(Moderator), it was his comments that were more A** H*** ish!!!! What the hell is that all about? Also I attend some high end auctions and rarely do you see any buick turbo cars, and when you do they still have no trouble bring top dollar. Watched auction in June 700 cars 1 GN 1987 No documents from owners etc. ????29k car???? And sold for $17500.00, all will no docs. And alot of WD40!!!!
 
I'm also confused by the thread closing, and believe me if there's anyone who should not be allowed to sell here it's Hauser.
 
I watched Mecum the other night and hardly any of the cars sold. If you watched Mecum the last few years its a different ballgame now.
Turbo Regal values have fallen about 25%. The market will dictate the prices of our cars not the owners. Only if every owner refused to sell there car could you move the value. In the real world that doesnt happen. Only the best of the best with full documentation are holding there value. If unemployment continues to rise the value of most Turbo Regals will continue to fall. The way things are looking TR values will drop another 10 to 20%.

Pete
 
and then some people buy these cars because they like them and not because they want to make a buck on them.
 
Generally speaking I am of the opinion that the price is dictated by "what the market will bear" however, since I am more biased toward my beloved Buicks;) I think that it really is kind of the fault of Turbo Buick Owners "giving away" their cars for bottom dollar that is ruining the value.

Mind you, I'm not talking about a few thousand dollar rusty POS. I'm talking about a lower mile, clean- needs nothing car- Why should it only bring $10k? These cars are money pits. We all know this. Why should the owner loose the considerable amount of money he or she has spent on making this car better just because of a crappy economy? It doesn't make any sense.

I like to restore my cars- for my own entertainment. However, I can't see spending $15k- 20k on upgrades, repairs, and maintenance only to give the car away for $10k just because it's what everyone else is doing. Why should the owner be expected to absorb such a loss.

Again, I'm not talking about cars that "need" stuff- I'm talking about turn-key models that need nothing. If I need to fix stuff on a car then it should be accounted for in the price...

Just my .02:cool:
 
Put money into any vehicle. You NEVER get what you put into it back out. (with a few exceptions of course)

These cars really aren't that old yet. People might not like the fact that the value is controlled by what the market will bear, but it is true. Same for every other car out there.
 
off topic

hey everyone, you are off topic. the discussion has nothing to do with market prices or what the car is really worth.

The discussion is a moderator stopping a thread because they do not like a comment!


Pretty much a shame when a thread get's closed because you "indirectly" hurty my feelings.
 
I saw that as well... Sale threads should be for selling only not opinions. If you have an opinion it should go to PM to maybe assist the seller. Otherwise, well, this is what happens.

I didn't even read the thread in question but, you get what I mean...
 
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