Mass Air VS Speed Density

[turbojoe1]

I've decided to go 3.5" maf.

As far as power logger, scan tool, chip, translator
What's the best or newest options out for me?
I'm shooting for lower 11's.
I have around $3500 to spend. I bought a mini HP lap top for the car.
Thanks Joe

 

[turbojoe1]

I run our EBL SFI-6 Flash SD ECM. I prefer SD as the ECM knows when the engine is in boost and by how much. It also allows the ECM to control other items via the boost level such as a second fuel pump or an alky injection system.

As for tuning the VE tables, some of this is built into the included What's Up Display. Makes it easy & quick to get up & running.

Now for the plug (you knew it was coming ): for anyone wanting to step up a bit from the stock ECM the EBL SFI-6 system is a good choice.

RemoveBeforeFlight

Curious about this

Thanks Joe

 

[RmvBfrFlght]

Curious about this

Thanks Joe

The EBL SFI-6 Flash system is based on a newer Buick/Olds ECM. It has more inputs & outputs which makes it more flexible in terms of functionality. It is nearly the same form factor as the stock 86/87 turbo ECM, and fits in the same location (some minor mods to the kick panel plastic is required, but not able to be seen once installed).

No chip swapping, there is Flash memory on board to hold the calibration (BIN). Takes but a few seconds to update the calibration from your laptop via the same USB cable as is used for data logging and observing the data.

Basically, this ECM system uses a stock GM ECM ('8253), with a board that is plugged into the MEMCAL socket. This board has the Flash memory, along with eight ADC channels for data logging analog devices such as WB set ups, fuel pressure sensors, EGT sensors and so on.

And, provides for high speed data logging of the ECM variables, such as RPM, MPH, injector PW, malfunction codes, spark advance, knock retard and on & on.

The ECM firmware that runs the engine was specifically set up for boosted engines. And, is integrated into the What's Up Display (WUD). Check out the WUD screen shots here:

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_SFI6_ScreenShots.php
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_ScreenShots.php

The other screen shots are shown in the second link, but still use the SFI-6 color scheme.

The product page for the EBL SFI-6 is here:

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_SFI6_Flash.php

That shows the board that gets installed into the ECM. Note that you can purchase a complete unit with it already installed. Our home page shows the complete EBL SFI-6 ECM:

http://www.dynamicefi.com

There is additional information on our web site. Feel free to look around, and don't be shy about emailing us.

If the weather is good I'll be bringing the Black Car to Kirban's open house this Saturday Otherwise I'll be driving something else there

RemoveBeforeFlight

 

[turbojoe1]

Sounds very slick.

As far as a scan master and a maf translator go, would i still need those?

Thanks Joe

 

[turbojoe1]

Serious logging features there, damn nice

Thanks Joe

 

[RmvBfrFlght]

No need for the MAF translator, the EBL SFI-6 ECM is speed density (uses a MAP sensor). If you have Alky with a 3-bar MAP can use it. Can also have the EBL SFI-6 ECM control the Alky pump.

The scan master is supported and can be retained. But it isn't a necessity.

RemoveBeforeFlight

 

[BEATAV8]

that is a nifty little critter..... I am thinking about it.

 

[turbojoe1]

that is a nifty little critter..... I am thinking about it.

Isn't it

Thanks Joe

 

[turbojoe1]

Seems very legit, lots of features, and built in capabilities like a fast unit but way less.

Anyone else running something like this?
Wondering why i haven't seen this before.

Thanks Joe

 

[Pronto]

Is anyone making a jumper so you don't have to repin the connectors?

 

[turbojoe1]

I think i read on the site, that it's plug and play

Thanks Joe

 

[we4Mateo]

VERY interesting...

 

[84BuickGNYorkPA]

Would be interesting to see a run at the track with existing ecm, then pull it and plug this in, for a comparison.

Chuck

 

[Quik Six]

I'm at the point where my combo is working very well with the TT SD chip and the only thing I will change now is the boost setting until I find out what the car will do with the present setup. Best with new tune was 10.447 @ 128.92 and a 1.499 60' on 21-22lbs of boost. Ties the 2nd fastest time on about 2.5lbs lower boost so new tune seems to be working.

I do like what I briefly read in Post #43.

The need for speed is a craving; the greed for speed is an addiction.

 

[TurboDave]

The EBL SFI-6 Flash system is based on a newer Buick/Olds ECM. It has more inputs & outputs which makes it more flexible in terms of functionality. It is nearly the same form factor as the stock 86/87 turbo ECM, and fits in the same location (some minor mods to the kick panel plastic is required, but not able to be seen once installed).

No chip swapping, there is Flash memory on board to hold the calibration (BIN). Takes but a few seconds to update the calibration from your laptop via the same USB cable as is used for data logging and observing the data.

Basically, this ECM system uses a stock GM ECM ('8253), with a board that is plugged into the MEMCAL socket. This board has the Flash memory, along with eight ADC channels for data logging analog devices such as WB set ups, fuel pressure sensors, EGT sensors and so on.

And, provides for high speed data logging of the ECM variables, such as RPM, MPH, injector PW, malfunction codes, spark advance, knock retard and on & on.

The ECM firmware that runs the engine was specifically set up for boosted engines. And, is integrated into the What's Up Display (WUD). Check out the WUD screen shots here:

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_SFI6_ScreenShots.php
http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_ScreenShots.php

The other screen shots are shown in the second link, but still use the SFI-6 color scheme.

The product page for the EBL SFI-6 is here:

http://www.dynamicefi.com/EBL_SFI6_Flash.php

That shows the board that gets installed into the ECM. Note that you can purchase a complete unit with it already installed. Our home page shows the complete EBL SFI-6 ECM:

http://www.dynamicefi.com

There is additional information on our web site. Feel free to look around, and don't be shy about emailing us.

If the weather is good I'll be bringing the Black Car to Kirban's open house this Saturday Otherwise I'll be driving something else there

RemoveBeforeFlight

Just a quick question. The screen shots show the MAP only reading to 100kpa and boost only to 15. Are those two gauges customizable so as to work with a boosted application?

 

[TurboDave]

The scan master is supported and can be retained. But it isn't a necessity.

RemoveBeforeFlight

I would think one would want to retain the scan master so as not to have to have a clunky laptop setup all the time.

 

[turbojoe1]

I would think one would want to retain the scan master so as not to have to have a clunky laptop setup all the time.

Agreed, lap top should be just for tunning

Thanks Joe

 

[Grumpy]

sorry but all this stuff just to tune an 11 sec car ?? At this point why not just do a FAST system ??

 

[turbojoe1]

I know i know, call me curious. No Fast for me, id really rather go maf pro w/ extender pro. And learn more from there

Thanks Joe

 

[turbojoe1]

I would really like more user info and use on this ELB system.
User friendly?
Preset tunes?
Ease of use?
How does it compare?
Can i use my maf until I'm comfortable enough to switch?
What about egt and other like tuning points?
What about another type of viewing the info like wifi, a tablet or a built in screen like the xfi touch screen logger?

Thanks Joe