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Odell I am Thankful that you are alright. I have never met you but from the way others have responded you must be a great guy. Please don't give up on the buicks we need all the great guys we can get. If you lived closer I would help you take that thing apart and get you back to racing.

When you are done with the wreaked car you can send it to me and I will put it next to what is left of mine. Email me litherland@netins.net and I will send you some pics of my Turbo-T.

Later,
Boostbrother
 
Odell I am glad to see you walked away from that one.

I watched my Dad get out of shape in Phoenix last Nov. He grazed the wall and did not roll it. The feeling in my gut was no better.

Everyone wants to go faster with these cars and we are putting down 800+ hp there is a very very small window of error and it is gone.

Glad to hear you are ok. I am glad the cage and safety equipment did its job.
 
Donnie,,, yes i have after market upper and lower Arms[built by a local chassic shop] rack and pinon stering, coil over shock springs, 350 lb springs,
willwood brakes, etc, I dont have a problem with anyones commet or sarcism
my opinion i made error in judgement, over corrected, i have drove the car for serval years that dont mean im a expert, my reaction is not like it used to be but hell im almost 69 years old, if i do rebuilt i will have traction controll,
after this crash ill never drive another car faster than 10 sec, with out a roll cage, i dont think anyway, good luck oc,
 
OC, As you know I have driven some seriously fast stuff and I have watched that video at least 25 times. I see a racing thing!!! There was defenetly something going on with the track as all the tire tracks moved seriously to the right. Im pretty sure you were the first car down that lane WITHOUT traction control. Your car went to the right (as track conditions preveiled) and you got out of the groove just as it got up on the pipe!! The rest happened so fast that there arnt many that could have saved it. YES your old but I thought you did a hellva job with what you were dealing with!! From all of us (especially your friends from OHIO) glad your OK and please come back!! :cool:
 
Thanks Odell. I'm not an expert at this, but I have learned a little from watching accidents at our track and talking them over with other racers in an attempt to understand what went wrong. I've also been in a hand full of situations with my car that could have looked like yours, but luckily I was on top of enough to prevent any damage. I've also seen others that turned out just like yours.

I think you're pretty close on your take of it. I see mostly slow and/or incorrect reactions. You're absolutely right. Your age does play an important factor. Especially if your not in the seat regularly, or maybe coming up on a new tuneup too quickly and not prepared for how the car may react.

I can't comment on the track conditions. I wasn't there. Judging by the video, it doesn't look like there is much rubber down. I would have layed back and let some more experienced drivers check out the track for me before I went down. There are some at our track that won't blink an eye after an oil down and run like a bat out of hell. I will admit, I'm not that brave. They are more than welcome to go in front of me. If it makes me look like a sissy, so be it. If anyone has witnessed my car go down the track, it's on the edge of traction as it is with a good track. I don't like to tempt fate.

The car looked to jump into a bad line right at the launch. It looked like you were lined up good, but after the initial hit, she took on a bad line. It seems you tried early on to straighten it up with a small correction and it put a little side to side motion into the back end. On the second attempt to steer the car to a better line, it just so happened that the shift into second and the side to side momentum of the rear end worked against you and she broke traction. At that point there may have also been a ramp up in boost level that further added to the problem. I'm just guessing on that, but I could imagine a ramp up in power being tuned in after the second gear shift. The second steering correction may have been excessive also. Just guessing on that one too, since there isn't a clear view of the front tires during that correction.

The tires have just broke traction. This is where I see the common mistakes occurring. A driver has got to have a keen sense at this point. Better if it's muscle memory. What I mean is, the reaction occurs without having to first think about it. Often the time it takes for one to think about what's happening is already too late. That's where age is working against you. A person's muscle memory may not be the same with age. Don't know that for sure, but I'm creaping up to that point of finding out for myself. I will say that Odell was out of the throttle in a respectable amount of time, but it wasn't fast enough. Being on the track is not like being on the street. Get sideways on the street and you can often power through a slide and straighten it out. Obviously, the track wasn't too bad. There was enough traction to propel the car across the track after it slid out. Of course, there was also a lot of weight on that right rear by that point too. The important thing here is, if the throttle had been released sooner, the power would not have been there to propel the car as it did. Bottom line, too late getting off the throttle.

Also. Steering played an important part as the car started to slide out to the right. You can plainly see that in the video as the car starts to steer left, headed for the left lane. Again, this is something that needs to be muscle memory. As the car started to slide out, the steering should have corrected more aggressively down track. As you see the car pitch up onto the right rear tire, you can see the steering was set to have the car do exactly what it did. The car followed the steering.
Here's somthing that's very, very important about the steering. If you make the large steering correction down track too late, you risk a roll over. Once Odell was across the center line, there wasn't much he could do. An aggressive steering correction a little sooner than he did would have most likely caused him to roll over right into the guard rail. The important time for the aggressive steering correction should have started just as the tires were breaking loose and started steering the rear end. Much the same way a drifter would react. The steering needs to follow the slide. Timing is very, very critical. Just a little too late with the steering correction, and you're headed for the other side.

One final error I see. This one is the most important. As soon as it was realized that the car was on a bad line on a track that was known to be iffy, the throttle should have been released. I know that's hard to do. I'm of the same racer mentallity, 'finish line or bust'. But, I'm slowly learning that it's better to save it for the next time.

Thanks Odell for letting me air my crash analysis. I hope it helps yourself and others keep the rubber on the right side.

One more thing. Many don't realize it, but you have different speeds or internal clocks as it relates to your reaction time. There's the Sunday drive clock, and there's the racing clock. You need to pump it up and make sure you're on the racing clock before you make the run. Sometimes that means you may be overreacting on every little steering correction, but once you're more accustomed to a new car or tuneup, you can adjust your internal clock speed and relax a little. Just a little!
 
Not trying to offend anyone with what im about to say, but shouldn't there be an age cut out, health exam, or test that a driver should pass before getting behind the wheels of an 7sec or 8 sec car for these events?, it just makes sense that they would have such rules and it could save lives, we all get old and our reactions tp situations like this become slower and slower and we progresse in age like Odell said he is not what he use to be in his younger years, there has to be a point were you realize that you cant do it anymore and your life maybe at risk if you take the chance.. just my 2cents..

PS: I have personally seen at least 2 drivers die at the track from heart attacks, 1 of then right after the burnout and the other hit the retaining wall at the end of the 1/8 mile when his ticker went out.. :(
 
Not trying to offend anyone with what im about to say, but shouldn't there be an age cut out, health exam, or test that a driver should pass before getting behind the wheels of an 7sec or 8 sec car for these events?, it just makes sense that they would have such rules and it could save lives, we all get old and our reactions tp situations like this become slower and slower and we progresse in age like Odell said he is not what he use to be in his younger years, there has to be a point were you realize that you cant do it anymore and your life maybe at risk if you take the chance.. just my 2cents..

PS: I have personally seen at least 2 drivers die at the track from heart attacks, 1 of then right after the burnout and the other hit the retaining wall at the end of the 1/8 mile when his ticker went out.. :(
I've witnessed it too. We had one racer die on the far end and was able to be revived.
I saw one incident at a past March meet where a nostalgia dragster went into the sand box at full throttle and speed. I happened to be on the far end when it happened. As the car went through the traps I could see his head hanging as if he was asleep. The car flew through the sand box and ended up in an orchard. I for one would rather die like that than be told I couldn't race anymore, but that's being selfish if you're running against another side by side.
 
Offended, nah, just facts, I have a NHRA and IHRA driving license, nhra you have to have a complete physical eye exam also, ever 3 years, there are serval drivers older than me, even dave marcus drove a stock car at daytona when he was 72 years old, nhra competition license is not cheap and not easy or hard to get, chassic sertification again 3 years, cost 135.00 if the safety teck, guy comes to your house, still im getting slower, good luck oc,
 
We crossed the track after the rain started.What you can't see in the video is how narrow the grove was.A few inches either way and he was on bare concrete.Not sure any of us top fuelers would have done anything different.Things happen alot faster in the car than behind the key board.
 
OC, As you know I have driven some seriously fast stuff and I have watched that video at least 25 times. I see a racing thing!!! There was defenetly something going on with the track as all the tire tracks moved seriously to the right. Im pretty sure you were the first car down that lane WITHOUT traction control. Your car went to the right (as track conditions preveiled) and you got out of the groove just as it got up on the pipe!! The rest happened so fast that there arnt many that could have saved it. YES your old but I thought you did a hellva job with what you were dealing with!! From all of us (especially your friends from OHIO) glad your OK and please come back!! :cool:


John, "all the tire tracks" don't pull to the right. The ones that are there are from the Galina/Freeman car that pulled right AFTER breaking a hiem joint on the wheelie bar. If it hooked good enough to break a joint on the wheelie bars..... No one is doubting that Odells car moved to the right as well but NO ONE knows for sure exactly why. Unless I am mistaken, that was his first pass. So do me a favor, before analyzing and criticizing make sure you know what the facts are. I was there at the starting line.

Jim C.
 
I should add that as fast and as far as Odell's car slid out on him, all other things considered, he would have been very, very lucky to have not crossed the centerline even if he was on top of everything. In a situation like that, you are very busy with the steering wheel. You're hand over hand really quick.
I was in a situation where people that were watching from the starting line were telling me they were looking straight at the side of my car and couldn't believe that I straightened it out without popping a cone. An experience I do not look forward to repeating. When I look back on it, I was steering that sucker with superhuman speed.:eek: And yes, my eyes looked just like that.
 
Glad you are OK. Seemed pretty calm when you got back to his pit all things considered. Nice getting to know you being pitted next door. I can say from experience that it can seriously reallocate your priorities. I am a much more cautious racer than I was 10-15 years ago. Most people have no idea what it's like when you let go of the trans-brake on a really high powered car. You can analyze the video all you want - bottom line is that he can ride another day.
 
I think everyone should quit anazlying what he did or didn't do. That age thing was complete BS too...

I am sure we got so many John Force's out here that could have saved it...

If someone wants to start another thread about what to do what not to do in that situation fine...

Lets be thankful Mr. Odel is fine and no one else was hurt either... No need for him to get beat up here too:rolleyes:
 
I think everyone should quit anazlying what he did or didn't do. That age thing was complete BS too...

I am sure we got so many John Force's out here that could have saved it...

If someone wants to start another thread about what to do what not to do in that situation fine...

Lets be thankful Mr. Odel is fine and no one else was hurt either... No need for him to get beat up here too:rolleyes:

>>> Agreed.........let's be thankfull OC is OK and walked away and be thankfully it happened during a time shot and not during eliminations as two cars and drivers could have been hurt really bad. This coulda been a whole lot worse.
 
Not trying to offend anyone with what im about to say, but shouldn't there be an age cut out, health exam, or test that a driver should pass before getting behind the wheels of an 7sec or 8 sec car for these events?, it just makes sense that they would have such rules and it could save lives, we all get old and our reactions tp situations like this become slower and slower and we progresse in age like Odell said he is not what he use to be in his younger years, there has to be a point were you realize that you cant do it anymore and your life maybe at risk if you take the chance.. just my 2cents..

PS: I have personally seen at least 2 drivers die at the track from heart attacks, 1 of then right after the burnout and the other hit the retaining wall at the end of the 1/8 mile when his ticker went out.. :(

OC answered your question, essentially he meets the NHRA requirements to race the car, I have been through the physical required and proven myself with my license passes as he has, but I'm sure he's raced longer than I have been able to even drive. I have left the start line like OC did many times and have had things get real squirmy down the track also. My suspension is not screwed up either. The track conditions and how you deal with the boost controller on the launch and there after with these cars can either make the run or ruin it with everything else perfect. It's a guessing game, that changes by the day and track. I have stumbled and while to some others observations might be saying the same thing as you have that everything with the car and driver is screwed up, but then a few magic buttons on the AMS-1000 pressed in the right sequence a clean safe 8.4x pass comes out. We don't know what they were working on with the tune up and suspension at the time either. From the pics and video I have seen of OC's pass and picking through what I know from experience it really comes down to a tricky situation, most of us have been there too. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't.

Note some cars got down the track using traction control. Something to be said there too.
 
Mr Odell was a real gentleman and took time to talk to everybody who came by his pit after the accident sharing his experience and talking about what happened out there. What a nice person considering what he had just been through. Thanks to God Odell was not seriously hurt.
 
Boy it's tough to see that vid. OC is such a nice guy! Glad to hear he is OK.
 
We can analize the video to death. It's pretty easy to say what OC should or should not have done when your not driving the car and know what ended up happening.
Everyone should know that on his previous pass he went 8.7's with a moderate 60' time. I did some minor tuning and adjusted the boost controller to be a little more aggressive. Unfortunatly, we didn't get to run the car again until Friday's qualifying on a green track. The right lane appeared to be the better lane, so I elected to run all the TSO cars in the right lane as solo passes. Dave Fiscus went first and the car pulled to the right but he got down the track. I lined OC up in the same groove, unfortunatly his car got even farther out of the groove.
Before everyone starts throwing stones at "the old man", realize he has been in similar situations before and done a great job of driving. If anyone is to blame it is me, for running the TSO cars ahead of the other TSxxxx cars, and for having OC on a slightly more aggresive boost curve.
 
We can analize the video to death. It's pretty easy to say what OC should or should not have done when your not driving

Amen, Cal. Everyone's an 8 second keyboard racer. Losing site of the main thing that OC is OK. Seen him make passes like that many times and drive through it.
 
We can analize the video to death. It's pretty easy to say what OC should or should not have done when your not driving the car and know what ended up happening.
Everyone should know that on his previous pass he went 8.7's with a moderate 60' time. I did some minor tuning and adjusted the boost controller to be a little more aggressive. Unfortunatly, we didn't get to run the car again until Friday's qualifying on a green track. The right lane appeared to be the better lane, so I elected to run all the TSO cars in the right lane as solo passes. Dave Fiscus went first and the car pulled to the right but he got down the track. I lined OC up in the same groove, unfortunatly his car got even farther out of the groove.
Before everyone starts throwing stones at "the old man", realize he has been in similar situations before and done a great job of driving. If anyone is to blame it is me, for running the TSO cars ahead of the other TSxxxx cars, and for having OC on a slightly more aggresive boost curve.


Don't be hard on yourself Cal, OC loves ya to death and doesn't blame you for a thing. Its all in the past now and fortunately OC is still alive and well. You couldn't have done a better job with what you had to do with not just OC but your other customers. Chin up, you are solid.............
 
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