wiped the trans by the 1st 2-3 shift!!!

[kustomwerker]

my boss runs a 70 nova at 750-800 hp level...procharged 383...i can give the specs if nessecary...i do all his erpair work...we just removed the tko600 to re-install the 2004r...it is buil;t by dynamic trans, a drag trans guy in ct, who is fairly local to us...our 2004r was bulletproof at 625-650 range, but we put an intercooler in it, and turned the boost up from 5 to 15 lbs...we immediately fragged the trans...at that time, it was 3 yrs old, so we figured it was time for a rebuild anyway...dynamic rebuilt it, and made us a 3800 w/l-u converter...we put it in and fragged it again on the first 2-3 shift...made a high pitched squeel and such...we took it back and the guy said it must have been low on fluid...he fixed it, but charged us 400 bux...whatever...so we shelved it, and installed the tko...that was a great trans, and is still together, but the car is far slower with the 5 spd than the 2004r, and the boss has a race coming up, so we reinstalled the 2004r...we overfilled it by a pint this time...we musta checked the fluid 10 times before beating on it real hard...1st time the car went hard to 3rd, it wiped the trans again!!!this is gettin friggin expensive!!!i believe it to be that the servo isnt big enough...i read that ck does billet servos that are friggen huge...will this cure our woes???should we also make it a bottom feeder???we only wipe out soft parts...not breaking hardparts...i told the boss to buy the specialty tools, and a good book and i`d rebuild it...what the hell, i aint scaired...its already broke anyway, right???lmao...is ck`s book gonna give me enough info to diagnose, and repair the trans???ps, there is no tv cable...rev pat manual vb...should we scrap the 2004r in favor of the 4l80e???crap, i hope not...i`ve got a lot of work into making this sucker right...

 

[Firechicken]

CK's manual is fantastic and if your builder had used it when he built the trans the first time, it would likely be still together. If you use Ck's book, dual feed and use a good servo, you won't fry the soft parts, but the hard ones. If your 750-800HP is accurate, you would be wise to upgrade to a billet drum at the very least, but should probably get the billet input shaft as well.

 

[chris718]

get yourself a copy of book.it will tell you exactly what you must do.dual feed technical info for the direct clutches will keep tham alive.

 

[brian]

...is ck`s book gonna give me enough info to diagnose, and repair the trans???ps, there is no tv cable...rev pat manual vb...should we scrap the 2004r in favor of the 4l80e???crap, i hope not...i`ve got a lot of work into making this sucker right...[/QUOTE]

One certain individual (at least) will not agree, but... I highly doubt a servo or dual feeding are going to help your problem. Maybe it will help until the second pass, not just the first!
The manual may help, but IMO will not do much for you. The book is good, just won`t help you with the HP you guys are trying to put through it.

You need a builder skilled in 2004R`s to make it live at that HP range.
While you are at it, put in a non lock up converter.

Brian

 

[Steve V]

I have CK's book it is very good,but the builder must understand these 200's he can't just build 2-3 and call himself a pro

I wonder why the trans builders in this board can't stop pissing all over each others stuff? All the guys hear are smart and nobody is perfect.:wink:

 

[chris718]

our techniques work for us.if the instructions are followed they work.no we are not a carbon copy of the transgo or art carr calibratrations,so be prepared for different results.i have had great feedback from the book and remember ,i did it.no one before me stepped up to the plate and gave it the time and energy my wife and i gave it.an unsubstantiated claim is being made a newborn in the field.not very wise .brian is a beginner and has not had much experience with the 2004r or product development.this is evident by his statements.what techniques do you have?bruce toelles?thats not your innovation now is it?i produce all of my parts in house.once again stepped up,bought the equiptment,got the training.got the 5th machine.are you the one sending the emails asking if i am reselling bruces parts?once again im not.i try to be good to all here and not any problems as the board has allowed us to become a bigger company.so step back and get some experience before allowing nonsense out of your mouth.so bruce can build his transmissions in nc,you can buy his parts,take swipes at me,but when all is said and done my parts might not be sandblasted but the materials are certified stronger than his and i can produce them cheaper in house.enjoy the ride and next time you tell someone your sending them something back ,make sure you go to the post office.you know what im talking about.kai mia mera tha sue psiso to psari sto heili sou malakismeo

 

[kustomwerker]

guys, i`m not trying to cause any discontent between builders...i was refering to ck`s parts because he`s closer to me mileage wise than others...i`ve gotten great info from this site before on the 2004r issues i`ve run across...i was even considering sending ck the trans to go thru...this is because if we blow it on the first run out, i can drive to his shop and face to face him with a wtf speech...i cant do that with bruce, or jake, or brian...we`ve done that to harold, and he takes care of us for the mostpart...but i just dont know if he`s capable of building the trans any further than what he has...we`re considering the full on 4l80 from ck, and actually i was supposed to inquire about it tonite...lol..chris, i`ll pm you when i get a few more min`s...anyway, thanx for all the great advice...i`ll look into getting your book chris...and if jakeshoe is reading my post, i didnt post this on the other site for fear of giving southside more ammo on his bad theories...lmao...

 

[bison]

One certain individual (at least) will not agree, but... I highly doubt a servo or dual feeding are going to help your problem. Maybe it will help until the second pass, not just the first!
The manual may help, but IMO will not do much for you. The book is good, just won`t help you with the HP you guys are trying to put through it.
Brian

Who is this mystery individual? This statement is a little bold to post here. Unless you are going to give actual advice on what it takes to make it last then you should avoid these remarks. Not trying to stir the pot but dont leave us guessing. If there is someone on here that will disagree then you should post his name

 

[notacarlo]

Subscribed!

 

[fast eddie]

Brians Performance Transmission

All i can say is Brian of "Brians Performance Transmissions" is one class act with killer transmisssions at a very affordable prices and customer service second to none.
all brian was trying to say is that book smarts will not build a trans that will last at that power level. the guys that can build 2004r's that can last pass after pass at these power levels have different ways of building their transmissons that might not work in another trans builders set up.
and what dose being a new guy on the block have anything to do with providing a quality product at prices that won't empty you wallet

 

[brian]

an unsubstantiated claim is being made a newborn in the field.not very wise .brian is a beginner and has not had much experience with the 2004r or product development.this is evident by his statements.what techniques do you have?bruce toelles?thats not your innovation now is it?

Unsubstantiated claims not hardly. I am new,yes , but my partner has been doing trannies before you were in itch. (if you know what I mean)
I am certainly not trashing the book. It was a good copy of the service manual, I will admit. But, with those hydraulic calibrations you are lucky to hold low 11`s on a good day.
As witness by some of the units I have repaired.
And if having 5 machines some how makes you better, my apologies mister big shot.

Chris, It was much nicer around here while you were away.
I suspect you were perfecting the "dual feeding" for the third time.

kai mia mera tha sue psiso to psari sto heili sou malakismeo
Back at ya, whatever it means! I am sure you were just saying hi.

Have a great day.
I will...

Brian

 

[brian]

Who is this mystery individual? This statement is a little bold to post here. Unless you are going to give actual advice on what it takes to make it last then you should avoid these remarks. Not trying to stir the pot but dont leave us guessing. If there is someone on here that will disagree then you should post his name

chris718

 

[brian]

I have CK's book it is very good,but the builder must understand these 200's he can't just build 2-3 and call himself a pro

I wonder why the trans builders in this board can't stop pissing all over each others stuff? All the guys hear are smart and nobody is perfect.:wink:

kustomwerker, My apologies for trashing your thread.

I wasn`t trying to do that. But I can see it came across this way!
Given the hp level of the combo in the original post, there are going to be more issues to look at in this build than a book and servo will fix.
This is all I was saying, but "LORD GREEKNESS" obviously was offended.

 

[quickt]

is ck`s book gonna give me enough info to diagnose, and repair the trans???ps, there is no tv cable...rev pat manual vb...should we scrap the 2004r in favor of the 4l80e???crap, i hope not...i`ve got a lot of work into making this sucker right...

CKs book will give you the info you need to repair that trans. Best choice would be to use a good builder. There are many on this board. The Rev VB I have used many times should hold a mid 10sec car but thats about it. Best to use Reg VB with TV cable but that can be issue to. I do many of these transmissions for V-8 cars. Strong v-8 cars are not forgiving with a TV cable everything has to be perfect. The best built trans will not last if the TV cable is not right. Tell your boss to give me a call. I will build the trans for him or help you with the info to fix it. If I build it and it does not last he pays nothing.

 

[kustomwerker]

our rev pat vb doesnt have a tv setup...our guy told us that we couldnt use a auto vb because the line pressure changes just werent acceptable at our hp level...fact is, i dont know what the hell he`s gonna do right now with the nova...he`s pretty fed up with blowin stuff up...so i just put the tko600 in his 68 firechicken, and made a custom cross-member for it...(3 inch duals in this thing are frikken tight!!!)we`re gonna get the shaft made this week, and beat on the 468 for a while i guess...i`m sure we`ll fix the nova, but not sure if right away...and as said earlier, i want a builder thats local so to speak, so that when he says its good for 800 hp, and i blow it up on the first pass, i can drive to his shop and bitch a little...but i appreciate the offer/info lonnie...i figure i`ll prolly fix the 2004r, but sell it right away, and install an 80...frig the small stuff...i`m tired of pullin the trans...i got it down to about 25 min...lol...

 

[quickt]

frig the small stuff...i`m tired of pullin the trans...i got it down to about 25 min...lol...

Been there done that it does suck. If I can help give me a call.

 

[kustomwerker]

right on lonnie...thanx...

 

[alb84]

We as a community are very furtunate to have so many innovative, commited, and anal transmission specialists on our side. If you take a book of in depth instruction to build your transmission, and I use the same book we will have similar transmissions when completed, but not the same. It may be good enough for what we are trying to do or not. But if you have one of the experts that have stepped up to the plate, and devoted the time and energy to develope the right parts, and the right assembly technics to live where we need them to you will not be sorry. It takes a huge ego/pride to even come close to the level of expertise these guys have. It is no wonder they take pokes at each other once in a while. In no way am I making light of the book, but through my own experience trying to teach trouble shooting technics to employees in my old shop I realized there is allways something lost in translation. Later
Danny